For me this Morning Glory ( Ip. Nil ) still NOID
They say that's Youjiro Yaguruma red star , I think NOT . YY is a really small flower ( smaller than Ip. Purpurea ) and they have typical leaf.( poultry foot )
The one I'm looking for has large bloom..
Thanks
Dany
Joseph I have Fuji no Beni but it's not the same . This one is dark pink and FnB is next to red , the rays are longerand the bloom are bigger.Becky have posted a pic last year and the seed come from Emma with seeds of Hot pink frost , I think !
Here is Fuji no Beni
Hi Dany
I grew these from a mixture of seeds from one of my first sasbe. They are similar to the first picture you have posted above, with a marginal variegation/picoteed edge, but not pronounced rays. If you look more closely, you can see the white rays, but not extending to the inner corolla. This bloomed profusely indoors for me, but only 2 seed pods survived/cured properly. out of the 2 seed pods, I only got 3 circular/semi-circular seeds.
Average bloom size is about 2.5-3 inches.
I am not so much interested in the blooms, but the shape of the seeds. If you like, I can give you all 3 seeds, but I would like to get an update on the generations after (pictures of blooms and seed shape).
Eliz
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People think the Mount Fuji (fill in the blank) will look exactly like this or that picture(it might) but slight variations occur often and no two flowers are exactly alike.
Dany`s picture has a variation seen in Mt Fuji lines of flowers but it would be tough to find one Exactly like his picture unless a person was breeding and selecting for those exact traits over several generations. The Mt Fuji commonly throws a few solid flowers and variations in spoke width and margins.
Here is a example of a halfway across white ray. It is a cross between Yuzuuki chocolate x Mt Fuji Blue then that F1 was crossed with Fujishibori.
It is yuzuuki chocolate x Mt fuji Blue X Fujishibori (The F1 was a apparent purple Mt.Fuji)
In the F2 I found this dusky purplish one with partail spokes. It was already beginning to melt but I took the picture anyway.
Dany`s flower may or may not be so easy to find since it is a variation commonly seen but not necessarily bred for on purpose here in America. jmho
Karen
Thank you Eliz but the one I'm looking for is large
here is another pic.
Your leaf there is recessive to the larger dragonfly leaf but a plant can carry for that leaf shape. Your flower is likely a yaguruma crossed with Mt Fuji F2 or 3 generation ... or it is a Japanese variety I`m not familiar with. Sorry, not much help. :)
Karen
Dany - In all honesty it looks like Youjiro Yaguruma that I grew out a couple years ago:
http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/beckygardener/7240/
The blooms on mine were smaller like 3 inches or so, unlike what you are looking for with larger blooms.
If it is open pollinated yaguruma seeds then it is possible in past years your plant had a pollen grandparent that was a large flower variety. This would cause the larger flower along with characteristics similar to the yaguruma.
You mentioned your flower is low pollen which goes right along with the idea. Yaguruma tends to have low pollen issues and any of the offspring regardless of pollen parent will have the same low pollen trait.
Dany,
Your photo IS a Youjiro Yaguruma with partial spokes which is very typical of the Youjiros. Also, the Youjiros that I have grown have had very high pollen. Many I cross-pollinated and got some stunning MGs.
Emma
Youjiro Yaguruma x Gray Haze
This flower Dany shows here appears to have some large flower traits. It is definitely a beautiful form of Youjiro but it looks different from Yaguruma.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6223785
The yaguruma I grew here:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/720006/
It had small flowers and and delicate leaves very much like Chachamaru. It was more petite and not as large and frilly as Dany`s flower.
Other Yagurumas:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/812205/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/792094/
Btw, some youjiros are generous pollen producers and some do have low pollen. It depends on what strain. The youjiro can have a dragonfly leaf and carry for other possible leaf forms depending on what is there in the genetic make up.
Thanks Emma- Thanks Karen
Emma the dark pink you post has large bloom ?
I think the seeds of mine come from you with Hot Fuji Pink , do you have this cultivar strain
with pure seeds ?
Your hybrid remind me the Gray star of Helena ( helenahkh )
Hi Dany,
If you got the seeds from me then I apparently accidentally mixed a seed of Youjiro Yaguruma in with the Fuji Hot Pink as they were growing near by at that time.
The size of the blooms are not huge, but they are not small either.
Yes, I do still have a few seeds and need to grow them out again, and you are welcome to grow as well to see how they do. This was a beautiful MG.
Emma
I suppose that the bees have make a part of the job.
How to make the difference btw a result of the bees pollinisation ( one of the natural ) and a spontanous mutation ?
But here in Hungary I see that the bees don't like the Nil nectar , they visit the Purpureas and the Tricolors , Nil not . I only see that bees are eating the bloom corola. I think that when they are hungry it's different. In Hungary there are people who live with the honey production.They have a lot of hives that they transport here or there during the spring and summer.
First acacia-fruit tree then rape then sunflowers and after the widflowers.If the weather is dry there is no nectar so bees are hungry.
But bee action is not so clear because if you see the garden of the Kyushu University the different plants are growing close to each other . They use bamboo stakes and not nets to control the pureness of the seeds is it serious ?
Perhaps the garden is in the city , so less of bees !
But I know that even in New -York city they are bee keepers.
Here is a Fuji no Beni variant
another closer - dark red
Amazing Dany, beautiful bloom on the Fuji no Beni variant. Look at the size
of those bars!!!
Emma, lovely Hot Pink or Y.Y., whichever it is the color is wonderful.
Karen, the purple reminds me of the beautiful Fuji no Monet. Your bloom
is gorgeous.
In resonse to Dany:
Quote :{But bee action is not so clear because if you see the garden of the Kyushu University the different plants are growing close to each other . They use bamboo stakes and not nets to control the pureness of the seeds is it serious ?
Perhaps the garden is in the city , so less of bees !
But I know that even in New -York city they are bee keepers. }
There are some varieties the Japanese grow that the specific color is a non-issue so they grow them all together and don`t care if they get cross pollinated. They want the bees to polinate them to increase seed production.
Sometimes they grow one vine right next to another vine for the very purpose of them being pollinated to get a specific result in the seeds just like we do with seedless watermelons. They need to bees to pollinate the flowers but the results are pre determined by the arrangement.
And sometimes they do grow plants in isolation for a purpose. Kyushu has plans and methods with every detail specific to a certain goal They have. Sometimes they do hand pollinate for a reason.
It all depends on what the gardener wants. Noone is the judge on "how to" in the morning glory garden. To each his or her own.
Thank you. :)
Sure of course. A lot of them automatically self as they open.
Some are low pollen and need help. The kikyo has fertile and partially fertile blooms with only a pistil and no pollen. It will boost seed production to pollinate these by hand by spreading the pollen.
Joseph to be more clear. It is possible to grow a low pollen with a high pollen variety for the bees to pollinate and get lots of interesting flowers with minimal effort. No, they don`t Have to have bees but they are useful little critters in the garden.
To bee honest, I have not paid much attention to how much pollen the flowers have, except perhaps indirectly when there is low seed production observed in a strain I'm growing out, or if there is a lot of pollen splash on a corolla limb when a bumblebee gets finished working that flower.
