Cultivar list for Ipomoea tricolor?

Hi, all!

I am looking for a complete list of I. tricolor cultivars. I know there are some controversial ones (e.g., I once stumbled upon a rather lengthy discussion of whether Scarlet O'Hara is I. tricolor or I. nils), but to the best knowledge of folks here, what are they?

I know of:
Heavenly Blue
Flying Saucers
Pearly Gates
Wedding Bells
Star of Yalta

Any others?

Thank you!

K (my first name is just the one letter ^_^;;;)

Hi k,

I think you got them, except there is another one called Blue Star and also Summer Skies which I think is a variant of Blue Star.

Star of Yelta is I. purpurea.

Joseph

Here are 5 Ipomoea Tricolor

And here is Summer Skies in comparison with Heavently blue .
My Summer Skies have black seeds , the " real " Summer Skies must have tane seeds .

fugue - There are 6 cultivars of Ipomoea tricolor

1) Heavenly Blue - the original was a light baby powder blue
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/136018/
and the newer 'improved' versions are a darker blue
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/20964/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/85926/
and then there is also the very pale Heavenly Blue marketed as 'summer skies'

Here is the comparison of the very pale HB with a darker version of HB
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/59069/%5D

I have only known Heavenly Blue to be available in a dark seeded form

2) Pearly Gates - white without the gene for spotting - dark seeded only
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/9561/

3) Flying Saucers - blue and white flaked pattern with the gene for spotting which causes darker pigmentation along the primary folds - tan or dark seeded forms
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/145442/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/161646/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/219140/
dark seeded forms produce vines with a rosey pigmentation on the stems and light seeded form have very little to no pigmentation on the stems

4) Blue Star - quasi-translucent blue which has a definite different quality than the blue of any type of Heavenly Blue - Blue Star is available in both light and dark seed forms
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/9559/
with the gene for spotting which causes darker pigmentation along the primary folds
dark seeded forms produce vines with a rosey pigmentation on the stems and light seeded form have very little to no pigmentation on the stems

5) Summer Skies looks exactly (!) like Blue Star but completely lacking the gene for spotting,so that the area of the primary folds will not show any darker color than the limb secondary fold petal fusion area...
The Summer Skies that I grew throughout the early and mid 70's was obtained from Redwood City Seed Company,had beige seeds and no pigmentation anywhere at all on the stems...

6) Wedding Bells - lavender pink very little if any spotting
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/159157/
I have only known this to occur as a dark seeded form


You mentioned that :

"I once stumbled upon a rather lengthy discussion of whether Scarlet O'Hara is I. tricolor or I. nils"

Do you happen to remember where this discussion was located on the web as I would be interested to read it...

The easiest and most reliable way to determine the species is by the characteristics of the sepals and the behavior of the seedpod pedicel...the plants do not strictly conform to the botanical latin names...e.g., I.nil does not always lack color around the outer limb edge to produce a white or lighter picotee...I.purpurea produces many colors other than purple and I.tricolor is not necessarily 'tricolored'...

Ipomoea tricolor has very short sepals that remain flush against the fully erect seedpods as seen in the photos here
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/106781/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/223161/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/156963/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/98991/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/139616/
Ipomoea tricolor never has any hair anywhere on any plant parts
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/156965/

Ipomoea tricolor characteristic seed shape
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/9427/

Ipomoea nil has sepals which are most usually long and narrow tapering to a thin point located on seedpod pedicels which remain erect
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/78938/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/124448/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/169360/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/55120/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/124569/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/162505/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/137631/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/213032/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/91303/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/113380/
with varying degrees of hair on plant parts

Ipomoea purpurea has sepals which are relatively short
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/146083/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/161265/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/150688/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/87915/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/62980/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/22914/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/130642/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/211680/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/158851/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/200038/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/157152/


on pedicels which always reflex shortly after fertilization
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/22916/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/132998/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/176997/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/31407/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/167364/
Ipomoea purpurea is variously hairy...

Ipomoea purpurea seeds
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/90979/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/181732/
Seed mixture containing I.purpurea and I.tricolor
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=3345139



Hope that helps...


TTY,...


Ron



This message was edited Feb 23, 2009 7:07 AM

My apologies for getting back so late: I work two jobs and couldn't get to the site until today.

WOW! Thank you all, especially Ron! What a wealth of information!

I'll see if I can track down the discussion on Scarlet O'Hara again. It's been a couple years since I saw it, though. I do remember that one of the arguments for its not being tricolor was that it was hairy.

I did wonder about one thing: in the PlantFiles here there is an I. tricolor "Carnival" cultivar listed. There's only one place that sells it, and I looked at it on the site, but I can't tell if it's really I. tricolor or not. I thought it wasn't, not being yellow at its throat, but now with all Ron's info on sepals I'm wondering. It looks kinda like Flying Saucers, with a pink version as well as the blue. Unfortunately there isn't a good view of the sepals, or after all Ron's tutelage, I'd at least have a guess. Has anyone actually seen this cultivar?

http://www.harrisseeds.com/storefront/p-13035-ipomoea-carnival.aspx

Once again, thank you all so much!

K

Hi K,

The Carnival vine is an Ipomoea purpurea. Nice one, isn't it?

Joseph

K_fugue - The carnival mix is Ipomoea purpurea as I had shared previously in the thread here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/952827/

I also noticed the erroneous entry in the tricolor area...everytime any company mislabels their products these type of entries crop up...most of these type of entries are 'hit'n'run' entries by new unsubscribed members...very difficult to keep up with them and keep the PlantFiles clean of these types of entry 'viruses' that quickly replicate in the minds of those newbies all over the web who simply don't know any better...worse than roaches...


TTY,...


Ron


This message was edited Feb 28, 2009 9:49 PM

I suspected as much. Not necessarily that it was I. purpurea, but that it was not I. tricolor.

Thank you all ever so much! This completely takes care of my confusion.

K

AND FURTHERMORE, there is a company in Florida,, using a picture of an old I. purpurea strain, shibori, and calling it "FLYING SAUCERS', which is I. tricolor. sniff, sniff.
Whose picture have they swiped for this Ebay ad????????? I wold like to know whose pix she is using. It really gripes me that so many sellers on ebay, swipe pictures from someone else to sell seeds, under a name ,commanding a good price.We growers have a right to see pictures, that are in FACT, connected to the product for sale.

I just saw on ebay, a gorgeous photo that the seller , no doubt borrowed, to sell some seeds to the people that have already bought them under a different name. For instance, the I purpurea, that is 200 years old, the striped beauty, also called " AOMURASAKIYOUHUNTENSIBORI". If you break up this Japanese phrase into its elements, " AO-MURASAKEI-YOU-HUNTEN-SIBORI", AND you just recycle a word from back to front, you get " SIBORIAOMURASAKIYOU" "HUNTEN" OR "HUNTAN" OR ANY variation to get the striped flower lovers to keep buying the same seed. Beware of these Ebayers that use the wrong names and the stolen pictures to sell their goods. If an ebay seller has changed his name in the last 3 years, just presume he or she had to. We are keeping track on this forum, because so many of us here have been burned by them already. Frank

This message was edited Feb 28, 2009 9:48 PM

Well, I wouldn't compare new members to roaches (that seems a bit uncharitable), but there are times when mistakes creep into PlantFiles. We have a red "report an error" button on every page within PlantFiles, so if you spot a problem, you can click on it while viewing the page and let the editors know what you found. It's tremendously helpful if you can provide references that help support your reasons for believing the information is in error.

fchilders, if you find any photos from here that have been used on eBay or elsewhere, please let us know--we will work on behalf of the photographer to have them removed. (I'm not sure that's what you were meaning in this case, though. By coincidence, turtlegaby is a member here; if you believe she has an erroneous photo on her eBay page or website, you are welcome to drop her a note and let her know.) I suspect most sellers would like to know about--and correct--their mistakes ;o)

Hi Terry - Thanks for your input...although I'd like to clarify that my reference to the 'roaches' was most certainly a tongue-in-cheek (!) reference to the way that certain entries can replicate rapidly and thereby spread across the globe in a 'computer virus' manner and my descriptor was categorically definitely not referring to any people...

I'll be glad to edit my post in any way that you see befitting if you think it best...


Thanks for keeping all of our best interest in mind...


Ron

On Yahoo japan they sell this tricolor.
I find it so dark , is it the dark form of Heavently blue ?
They say that the seeds are coming from Seedsman US.
Is it a compagny named Seedsman ?

Maybe J.L. Hudson, Seedsman?