Removing trailing av leaves

(tish) near Atlanta, GA(Zone 7b)

I don't know if you can see by this picture, but... There are two baby trailer plants of "The Madam" growing in this pot. They were the same before I removed leaves from the plant on the left side of the pot. I have removed the lower leaves (plant on left in picture), but did not cut them off close to the plant stem (neck), I left a stump or stub. New growth will grow out of this area (suckers, new crowns!). If you cut the leaf off close and leave no stub, the new growth area will be damaged and a long bare neck trailer will be the result. I read this information in preparation on a program for my violet club. After trying this, I can say it has worked for me. I've read a lot and been told a lot of trailer culture, and I think this is something that isn't mentioned very often and more people who grow trailers should try. tish

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Ottawa, IL(Zone 9a)

wow thats so good to know. i have a friend that was over at my home trying to help me with a trailer & mentioned something like that.
mrsbonnie

Andalusia, AL(Zone 8b)

Good info Tish.Thanks.

(Zone 1)

Great info, Tish! I am not really into AV's like some of you folks but I do love them! I had a trailer once and your description of the long, bare neck fit my plant to a T. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with it and it was so ugly I ended up throwing it out.

Question: I'm assuming it is it okay for trailers to have lots of suckers/crowns?

(tish) near Atlanta, GA(Zone 7b)

Where in the regular type violets, a single crown is desired, a trailers habit is to produce more suckers, they don't really trail per say like other plants, but grow to the side instead of upright. They were hybridized from a couple species violets with a trailing habit. The goal is to have more than one crown and to let the plant get bushy with most of the leaves about the same size. Each crown will bloom, so the more crowns, the merrier, ha. There are really two kinds of trailers, trailing-that need a lot of constant pinching and will grow longer stems; and semi-trailing - that don't need much attention and tend to just get bushy on their own.....no, I don't have a list of which ones are which and first class descriptions don't say either.

Once they have grown a long bare neck, it is usually too late to reverse that and the best thing to do is cut the crown off, to re-root it and start again with the rooted crown. Most of them are going to grow a neck sometime and will need potted further down into the soil. Oh, one other thing I read that I thought was important...don't remove any of the root ball when repotting, because trailers have a lot more top grown, they need all their roots to support the plant.

Truthfully, many of my trailers don't look very good. I tried a lot of different things I had read and was told, with very few successful results. When the club asked me to do the program on trailing violets, I said, oh no, you don't want ME to do that ! But everyone was getting a program idea, and I felt I had to participate...and in the end I was so glad I did. I really learned a lot. tish

PS> Thanks Jan! for telling me how to do the pictures! This is my Pacific Pearl...course in the picture it looks more "blue" but its actually purple and white.

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South, TX

Great info and photos! I have several trailers. Always Pink is easy to keep bushy. Myakka is a bit harder. I have cut it up and I have new plants now. I will remember your "leave the stubs" part and try it. Here is Always Pink, not many flowers in this picture, but she is always a fluffy little thing.

Thank you! Sally

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(Zone 1)

Lilypad: Thanks so much for that great information and description regarding trailers and semi trailers! Oh, that Pacific Pearl is gorgeous! And, the color doesn't show up blue on my computer ... it's purple and white. Lovely!

Sally: "Always Pink" is a beautiful plant! Is that considered a 'wasp' bloom? The way you stage your photo's is great as always!

Great Growing, ladies!

South, TX

No, I don't think it is a wasp, just kind of looks that way, sideways, in the photo. A very sweet plant.

(Zone 1)

It is very pretty. I like how the blooms are up above the foliage.

Ottawa, IL(Zone 9a)

here are a couple of my trailers i think are so cute. vespa verde
mrsbonnie

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Ottawa, IL(Zone 9a)

here is pink bells

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Ottawa, IL(Zone 9a)

here is grotei, silver clone.
mrsbonnie

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Andalusia, AL(Zone 8b)

aww I love the trailers! Very pretty

Tish,I read the paper you did for your AV group about growing trailers It was very good. Keep those picture coming ladies.

Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

Here is my Tiny Wood Trail. It's nice a nice, compact plant . . . waiting for the blooms . . . but does it look like it is supposed to?

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Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

I love violet trailers. Nothing prettier than a full plant in bloom. Good info on leaving a stub, lilypad. Later, when new growth forms, please post a photo.

(tish) near Atlanta, GA(Zone 7b)

My tiny wood trail has not bloomed either. It seems to be one of those semi-trailing ones. I only keep it because the pic on first class program shows little purple bells and I love bell bloom, so it gets to stay a little longer. I've recently hit it with some bloombuster fertilizer to jump start it. Also knocking the pot and putting in the fridge for a few minutes, heard that might "encourage" bloom.

Thanks Jan...all that info came from articles I read in older issues of the African Violet magazine. Mostly people write the same things but every now and then a grain or new info like the "stub" and the "roots" came to light and I thought...that makes sense to me, I'll try that.

Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

I'm wondering if the pot I have mine in is too big . . . it's in a 2 1/4".

Taft, TX(Zone 9a)

I missed the whole thread but just read it and learned a lot I think. I still have trouble understanding the 'stub' bit.

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

Maybe Tiny Wood Trail is a shy bloomer. Don't know for sure as I've not grown it.

Another tip that might help trailer growers is I've found keeping a trailer disbudded helps it to produce more foliage/crowns. I like to grow the plant out and then let it bloom.

Looking through some older photos, I found this one of Ramblin' Amethyst. I loved the foliage on this trailer grown cool. The blossoms are plain jane but overall, I like it. Right now I have some leaves down and can't wait to grow this one again.

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Taft, TX(Zone 9a)

Thanks for that tip, Goldleaf! Where did you find the leaf for Ramblin Amethyst? I planted so many Ramblin' ones today but not that beauty!

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

I'm trying to think where I got the RA leaves. Maybe Cedar Creek?
Do me a favor, Gail. Please look up av Le Bon Papa in FC and if it's there, tell me what it says. I received leaves of it today and love them. Now I want to know more about it.

Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

GoldLeaf91011 - Hope you don't mind if I jump in. Gail just got done potting up her half of our AV leaf orders . . . if she's like me, she's ready for a nap after all that work!

Le Bon Papa (7123) 05/15/1989 (J. Domiano) Single white pansy/purple fantasy, edge. Variegated medium-dark green, pointed, glossy, wavy. Large (DAVS 1212)

There were no pictures listed . . . they sure sound pretty!

Taft, TX(Zone 9a)

Actually, Nichole, I am in a stupor! (LOL).......seriously........just wandering around finding something to propagate. I started 3 cuttings each in 4" pots of my white hoya australis. Then I started looking for epsicias to root............
just waiting for the day to be over and start anew tomorrow.

Whenever I get real tired, I go looking to propagate something.......why? I don't know!

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

Thanks, syrumani! I think I like the sounds of that violet. The leaves are nice...variegated with a neat ruffly edge. Did you finish potting up all the leaves you got?

I received leaves today also and need to get crackin on them. How about you, Gail? Are your leaves planted?

Taft, TX(Zone 9a)

My leaves got planted!!!!!!!!!! Now I am shuffling trays around on the gro light shelves as room is getting tight.

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

I understand about making room. I only have 2 stands lit and need to light another very soon. I have boxes and boxes of violet leaves going and adding two more + today. A big tray of strep leaves plus a shoebox full. Expecting more strep leaves maybe today, Miss Gail. I hope some folks will be willing to adopt some resulting plants this spring as I know I won't have room for them.

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Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

GoldLeaf91011 - what do you use for starting medium? 50/50 perlite/vermiculite? I know that is what Gail uses, but that doesn't work for me . . . Have you started AV leaves in a community tray before? How did that work out for you?

Phoenix, AZ(Zone 9b)

I notice you don't cut the tops off most of your leaves...do you find it makes a difference, or doesn't it matter?
I'm reading a lot, and read that it helps, but would like your (and anybody's) experience. /opinion.
TIA
Sharon

Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

Sharon - I learned in my very first AV club meeting a few months ago that at first you don't have to cut the tops off leaves if you don't want. But, if say after 2-3 months of no baby growth (but the leaf is still green, firm, etc), it is a good idea to cut the top half off, to encourage new growth. Because (from what I understand) the leaf is putting more energy into root growth and leaf maintenance than into creating babies.

At least . . . that is how I interpreted the "lesson".

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

syrumani...I grow everything in my same wick mix...all violets from start to finish.
My mix is:

1 part good bagged peat based soiless medium like, ProMix, Fafard, etc.
2+ parts coarse Perlite (I use Schundler purchased in 20 lb. bags)
1 part coarse Vermicilite (Schundler brand also)

The community boxes work just fine especially when growing lots of leaves labeled carefully. I have babies coming up from leaves planted I bet not 6 weeks ago. Ramblin' Sunshine was first to pop up. I cover the boxes with plastic wrap and they don't need any watering. I do check now and then but they stay moist. They are very self sufficient. I place the community violet leaf boxes with the date planted under lights on the top shelves where it's warmer. I should add, I burn holes in the bottoms of the boxes for drainage and use the lids for a saucer.

To answer your question 2manyplants, I do cut the tops of larger standard violet leaves. Takes up less space and gives more light to the other leaves in the box as it doesn't shade them.. Plus, It does help the leaf from growing. The photo shows mostly semi and mini violet leaves in this particular box and since the leaves are small...no need to cut the tops off.

On rooting strep leaves. The one big tray has cell inserts...rectangular in shape. The strep leaf sections fit nicely in them. Since the cells are deep. I put plain perlite in the bottom about 1/3 of the way and filled with my regular wick mix...then domed the whole tray. It's been weeks and it's still moist and no need for watering. I checked last night. I tugged gently on a few leaves and they are rooted.

I also have strep leaves in a community box covered with plastic wrap. They are doing well so far. I place the strep prop trays/boxes on the bottom shelf.

If you have just one or several leaves, do the same thing only on a smaller scale. Use individual small pots or solo cup with holes. I wick everything so I would add that. No need to be fancy. I use plastic baggies for domes lots of times.

Community tray of strep leaves...

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Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

Fancy dome for plants ^_^

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Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

I wish I had thought of that last week! I don't think it would have taken me nearly as long to do! I may try that next time!

I'm also thinking of making my own batch of mix, since I am (amazingly) almost out of the 5-gallon bag I bought from Boerne a few weeks ago . . .

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

Off topic but while I went downstairs to photograph the strep box this episcia caught my eye. I think I am liking this one as it matures...Johannes.

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Taft, TX(Zone 9a)

You always find the most unusual things............never even heard of Johannes and she is gorgeous...........fess up if it is a regular vendor............and tell us where you got her.

I am amazed that you put av leaves in a mix with soil-less mix in it.......I did notice though that it is only 1/4 of the mix, 1/2 perlite and 1/4 vermiculite........is that right? I might try that..............

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

You know, syrumani, when faced with lots of leaves at one time...the community thing is the way to go. Doing them one by one is maddening and not necessary at all. I think they do as well or better. I look for good plastic shoeboxes when I'm out and about and keep several on hand. I have used the sweater boxes too not so much for rooting leaves but as containers for baby streps or any gessies. Kept uncovered and matted works well for numerous baby streps or violets. The higher sides hold in the humidity. I have some episcia Cleopatra in a sweater box lightly covered with plastic wrap. If covering boxes, don't use matting as it gets funky.

Ellerbe, NC(Zone 8a)

What a wonderful thread......so much good information. I love trailers, and have had some that never seem to bush out also. Now I know what to try.

Great pictures too. I love that Pacific Pearl. Beautiful !!!

Rox

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

Gail, think 1-2-1 with coarse perlite being the 2. You got it right. I keep a dishpan full on hand all the time and use it on everything. Remember it is a wick mix formula and not for use intended for plants to be hand watered.

A 1-1-1 mix is a general all purpose mix (not for wicking) used by many growers.

Frederick, MD(Zone 7a)

Hi av_ocd_girl! We have missed you!

Taft, TX(Zone 9a)

Oh yes, we are happy you are posting, av_ocd_girl. My Rose of Sharons are doing great and I won't forget you about mid December or January when you are wishing warm weather would show up again......................

Ellerbe, NC(Zone 8a)

Thanks Goldleaf!

Gail, I'm not surprised your Rose Of Sharon are doing great......after all.....they've got one great plant person looking after them. : )

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