Music my chicks are 6 weeks and i'm going to wait until they are 8 weeks before i vaccinate as i learned from one web site they get a better imunity at that age.
It seemed all the web sites kind of contradicted eachother some sad 2 weeks while others said 6 weeks and still another with the 8 weeks.
Whats your opinion or anyone else's on this?
Should i vaccinate now?
My little chicks are only not quite 2 weeks i will definately wait on those.
Needle Question need it answered ASAP
Ok about what I thought also. By what you have said in the pox threads. I should be ok around here then.
If you Don't bring in new chickens or if you do and you know they are healthy i really wouldn't worry about it.
I deal in chickens and birds and i usally only deal with selected people but that free flashed in front of my eyes and blinded my judgement (Just Kiddin)I just know not to trust this persons birds again.
Other people like Claire and anybody who continously bring in new birds are the most at risk for an outbreak.
But it go's with teratory but i count myself lucky i had chickens 7 years an this is the first time this has happened to me and yes no matter what anybody says i did probably cause this.
Harmony,
The fowlfacts website was most accurate with symptoms, treatment, incubation of the disease, etc. All of the info they provide has been spot on.
They say:
"Vaccinate soon after hatching up to 2 weeks of age. All should then be revaccinated at 12-14 weeks of age"
However, I would say that would be for larger birds or "broilers". Smaller birds should be done later, maybe? Would like a poultry tech's input on this.
Thanks,
~music
PS~Harmony-since you to 1,000 doses can I buy some from you? I know it's the live pox, but not sure if you have to dispose of after using...If not, I'm more than willing to purchase some plus any extra syringes you may have. Please let me know.
I believe you are incorrect about the contagiousness of pox and how it can spread. There definitely are illnesses that pass through the air, but my understanding of pox is that direct contact from an infectious source to an open wound or mucus membrane is required.
The virus does live a long time in the environment, so scabs from an infected chickens that fall off can be an issue.
At the fair last weekend several of us discussed pox and treatment. Iodine and blue-kote seem to be preferred treatments.
There are different strains of pox, some are more virulent than others. Likewise, there are different strains of vaccine. Some provide permanent protection, others are not permanent.
Suze
I have called OSU everyone, I'll be waiting to hear from them and then I'll post to here everything that I possibly can that they tell me.
Also, I wanted to add my own 2 cents worth on prevention: I lived in Southern CA when that living nightmare called Eoxtic Newcastle disease hit and the authorities were going round and killing all of the birds. Just ask anyone from Norcor, CA what happened. The authorities LIED to cover their bahooty's.
I would cry myself to sleep because of the fear I felt as well as I felt so, so, bad for those people. God it was awful. Those of you in CA who were there, know exactly what I am speaking of.
I was prepared to go to jail to defend my flock as I knew my birds were not infected plus they were inside my house.
But they would have a cop there to arrest anyone who tried to stop them. I am getting emotional just thinking about it so I will change the subject.
Anyway, I learned how to create a "bio defense area". My neighbors must have thought I was a super clean person as I would scrub down the carport and the sidewalks with bleach water every morning.
When any cars came through the bio defense area, I poured bleach water on the tires and recleaned everything. I bet I kept the bleach companies in business just by myself.
The next thing a person can do is wear an "outer" covering that can be taken off as soon as you are done and immediately put into the wash to clean it. Gloves and a hat too. A hair net is also used to keep your hair from flying around.
Rubber boots that can be placed in a bio solution.
Keep in mind that while we may be immune, the "germ" still can exist in our hair, our skin and our noses, ie mucous membranes. So, blow your nose before you go in to the pens and again, when you come out of you chicken yards.
Next, tend to your youngest birds first after washing your hands of course. You may have gloves on but still wash your hands. Then the next youngest and finally to the oldest last.
Then when you are done, go take a shower, blow your nose, wash your clothes and if at possible dry them in the sunshine as this is will help to kill any disease organism's left.
Now the disease won't last forever, so take your precautions and you should be ok.
I would NEVER allow anyone near my chickes who had chickens themselves without telling them they MUST wash their shoes in the solution and they MUST have clothes on that they normally wouldn't wear around their chickens. They might get mad and be offended but better offended and have healthy birds.
Now next question:
What about the eggs from infected flocks: would these eggs carry the germ inside the egg, outside the egg, what about the egg carton?
Yeah I'm probably being paranoid again, but I would feel better if I knew for sure about these questions.
So, just as soon as the lady calls, I will tell you in here, the information I received.
CS
Music I'm going to keep the 9 vials and i will probably use them all i have 2 sets of chicks to vaccinate and that will leave me with 7 and it's good till 2010 so i will use it to vaccinate any newcomers.
There was a site i think it was jeffries that had it for $5 for one 1000 dose bottle.
I chose the 10,000 because i knew i would have multiple vaccinations in my flock.
Yes once you open a bottle it has to be discarded shame when i got done with the 40 bantams the vial was still full.
It cost me $68.50 and if like me you have valueble stock i didn't mind paying the price besides my selling at the flea market paid for it so. It's very good to have a self sustainable flock so when things come up like this i just load up a few and i have my money.
By vaccinateing my stock i probably saved myself over a thousand dollars easy that i could have lost if i let it spread further.
I lost at least $200 worth of birds from the start of this and still have 3 in danger of getting it and i have 6 in recovery.
The worst one i had was just last sunday a small fawn duckwing roo it had hit him fast and hard it had entered thru his sinus's and grown out his nostrils and down his throat he was barely breathing and i couldn't remove it all or he would of probably bled to death so i had no choice but to put him down
Suze i was speaking in reference to the fact i could be spreading by mechanical means as it spoke about on the sites.
OK, GOOD! I was going to get mine on Jeffries, but didn't know they sent in separate vials. That makes me feel much better. I thought it was 1,000 doses in ONE vial. So, I will order. If anyone needs any, contact me as I have a small flock (though quality and higher value pure breds) and don't need that much.
Poor little fawn.
If it makes your day any brighter, I have not had any sign of wet pox, yet. And the final 2 eggs of the 7 I pulled are pipping...5 have already hatched over the passed 3 days.
Thank you!
~music♪♫
Congrats Music on your hatch - post some pictures for us on a Music-chicks thread!
Harmony, when do you have to start looking for the "takes" on the wings? I think it said one week on those sites I was looking at. It is an interesting thing to learn about this through your experience. If there is no "take" does that mean you have to re-vaccinate them? I am just so happy that you were able to get that vaccine in a timely way and get all your birds done so soon. Sorry about your roo. It has been such a terrible time for you and your birds, but I hope with this round of vaccinations that it will all be behind you.
Music it comes in 2 vials 1 is the dry it's like a little cake in the bottom and the other is the wet part it's blue it will come with instructions and there is 1,000 doses in that bottle after it's mixed.
You must keep it cool at all times i used the styrofoam cooler and the cool paks that came in it.
I mixed mine and then put it in the cooler with the cool paks around it so it was standing.
I had to pull some feathers on the wing web as it said in the instructions not to get it on the feathers.
Then i dipped it and held it erect and spread the chickens wing and simply pushed it threw the web.
It kinda soaked into the skin and left a little blue tattoo mark.
Once it's mixed and you vaccinate you have to discard any leftovers.
Wonderful news about your eggs pipping GOOD LUCK^_^
Claire it said 1 week so that will be next tuesday and if some don't take i have to revaccinate the ones that didn't take.
Music you might need to order 2 for the retakes.(if there is any)
Bad news yet again my white face black spanish roo has wet pox and it has swell his throat almost shut cleaned it real good with the iodine and hopeing.
Fingers crossed for your roo, Harmony. So sorry to hear you have another bad case of it. Just when it seemed to be on the mend. Dang viruses....they are so horrible. Sending my very best healing thoughts.
where is the music chicks thread?
my comp modem crashed and i had to make a comp out of 2 comps,lol. that's why i have not been here and i'm sick with nemonia and junk too. what did u need? my new comp is a dino and slow but will try to help ya all with what i can.
mary
Hi Silkiechick - the main thing was that Harmony was wondering if she should vaccinate the birds that were definitely exposed to pox virus (i.e. they were in a pen with a bird who had it) but didn't come down with it. Did they get natural immunity or should she still vaccinate. I think she might have vaccinated them but I'm not sure now. I figured you would know the answer to this, or have access to the answer.
So sorry to hear about your computer and now pneumonia and all....that's awful. I hope you get better very soon!
Claire
Silkie I have a roo who was exposed by his hens but has not come down with it and 2 hens in another that were exposed by their roo and not sick.
So should these be vaccinated?
When should i vaccinated my chicks?
OK...got this off the Mississippi State University website.
I think someone posted the schedule for other diseases from this website.
But, here it is again, including Fowlpox, which states:
"Fowl Pox Vaccinate at 12 weeks of age using wing-web stab method.
AS EARLY as 1 day of age if mosquitoes are present. "
Therefore, I will be vaccinating ALL, cuz mosquitoes are very present.
See below:
Young pullets are usually vaccinated for fowl pox at 12 weeks of age using the wing-web stab method. In areas where fowl pox has previously been a problem or where mosquitoes are frequently found near poultry flocks, the pullets may need vaccinating for fowl pox as early as one day of age. Prevent outbreaks of coccidiosis by providing growing birds with a diet containing an effective coccidiostat until they reach 14-20 weeks of age. A summary of a good disease prevention program is shown. This program is used in combination with sound sanitation practices. Both are equally important in preventing disease.
Disease Prevention Program Disease Vaccination Schedule
Newcastle Disease In hatchery or at 4 days using the drinking water method.
Revaccinate at 4 weeks and 16 weeks in the drinking water with B1 type vaccine.
Infectious Bronchitis In hatchery or at 4 days using the drinking water method.
Revaccinate at 16 weeks using drinking water method.
Marek's Disease In hatchery using subcutaneous injection.
Fowl Pox Vaccinate at 12 weeks of age using wing-web stab method.
As early as 1 day of age if mosquitoes are present.
Coccidiosis Daily feeding of drug in ration (up to 14-20 weeks).
yes if they have not actually broke out in the pox wet or dry form they need vaccinated also. if they have had it no they don't need vaccinated they have had the real deal and would have built there own immunities.
as for when to vaccinate chicks, i will check on that ea vaccine is different but i usually do not vaccinate anything under 4 weeks of age except for mereks it is day olds.
i don't believe all the times above r right. i do newcastle and ib and mine r given it at 4 weeks of age or older. let me see if i can find the incert for the vaccine and i'll put what it says but that doesn't sound right to me and revacs time sounds off too.
for the combined vaccs i give for newcastle-bronchitis the paper incert that came w/ vaccine says in short(type B1, strain B1):
intranasal or intraocular- 1 day of age or older
for drinking water- 2 weeks of age or older if done before 2 weeks of age this method revaccs in needed
for spray- 4 weeks of age or older
if possible vaccinate all susceptable birds on the premises at same time. fr 10 -14 days avoid cross contamination with un vaccinated birds.
do not vaccinate within 21 days before slaughter.
have to look for the others after i get supper done.
So the 2 hens that were with the roo that got it that haven't shown any signs should be vaccinated correct?
My chicks are 6 weeks old are they old enough now?
I have looked at the some of the ones i vaccinated tuesday and all but 1 showed takes:)
If i accidently without knowing vaccinate one that had pox but showed no signs will it harm them?
I checked for takes today and all have taken but 7 out of 40 so thats good i was hopeing all would have taken.
I will weather permitting (it's cold) i will be revaccinateing the no takes and my chicks tomarrow.
Good news my white face black spanish are recovering it was touch and go with the roo but he's much better today.
That is such good news - both about the takes and about your BFS chickens. I am so relieved and good to know that you have all this experience for the next one of us who has this terrible affliction affect our flocks. You will be our resident expert!
Thank you Claire you make me smile^_^
That is good news, Keep up the good work there Harmony.
Thanks luvs been working about a month and a half hope it will be over before spring i have to get my spring chicks and set my bater around february.
I would hate to miss the spring chickens LOL
LOL I so hear ya there. I know you have worked you rear off with them and again I really admire you for all your dedication to them. I think about a few weeks into it I would have just fell to the ground and covered my face and just bawled.
Been there and did that and more than once but i got up for my birds and kept on going and it was worth it now 67 chickens will survive and live to be happy and give me eggs and chicks come next spring.
My sacrfice is nothing these birds are in my hands and it is my duty to make sure they are treated humanely and given the best care i can offer them and i owe it to them as their caregiver.
I have crossed paths with so many who care less about their birds or some doing well meaning things that are not proper or in the best interest of the chicken.
Yes Harmony same here, mean well but just not working. I to care for my birds and do everything in my power to make them comfy, went the other day and got them large flake pine bedding and hay bales to help keep them warm and less draft. All did very well in the coop yesterday morning when we got down to 30 degrees. We should be ok for the next couple weeks.
I know about the hay i put it in my rabbits bed area so they don't freeze.
Most people don't realize rabbits freeze to death very easily.
The winter is allways the hardest i'm still waiting on my pigeon babys to get big enough to remove from their parents.
I allways move all my pigeons and doves to large pens covered in plastic or cloth to block out the cold breeze. they are all cold hardy but they can't stand cold wind.
We are haveing cold weather here and we usally don't get that cold until Dec.or Jan. i want my warm south back.
Same here Harmony, we dont get cold until late november. Our weather is changing so much. I didnt lay out the hay I stacked them up 3 high so to make a wind break for them. I could only fit 3 bales in the truck the other day as I had to get the shavings and feed also, but will go back this weekend and get some more.