Needle Question need it answered ASAP

I got my vaccine yesterday and it's in the frig so i went on some site's last night to print out all the info i needed on how to do it I'm the type of person i want to know all i can about something before i do it.
Well one of the site's said to remove one of the needles for bantams while 3 others didn't mention doing that in the instructions.
So now i'm wondering if i take one out will they get enough vaccine or if i leave both in will it make them sick?

Can someone please help me with this i've come this far and i don't want to make a mistake???

Here's the needles and i was suprised at how big they are!

Here's a closeup

i remember reading somewhere to remove one for bantams

Bumping up

I would remove one--there may be some danger of overcoming their immune system with two. The groove should hold enough inoculum. Silkies might be a bit tricky--most aren't really bantams,but they are smaller than most standards.

Well i'm off to vaccinate wish someone could of helped me (I'm Sad)

Will report later on my outcome ***Harmony***


Thanks Jordan^_^


Sorry cat put this up while you were sending yours didn't know you were responding

This message was edited Oct 21, 2008 10:13 AM

WELL Thank you CAT SO MUCH i been sitting here waiting so long and only jordan had replied.

I will remove one should i just pull it out with a clean plyers or cut it with wire cutters??

I would pull it out, if you can.

thas what i was thinking too

Thanks i will be reporting how it went this afternoon

good luck Harmony

Oh my gosh I never saw those double needle things before. Those are scary. I have no idea. I would have had to search for it online. Oh, I hope it went OK - please let us know.

It's over and it went very well i pulled out 1 of the needles and mixed the vaccine and put it in the small ice chest it was delivered in surrounded by 4 gel frig packs to keep it cool.
My DH and i put on our gloves and he caught them and i was in charge pulling the feathers from the wing web and doing the sticking.
I removed the feathers and exposed the web then dipped the needle in and held it perfectly erect and simply pushed it through it's colored blue so it looked like i gave them a tatoo.
I was so nervous before but as we got used to it we went pretty fast and got 40 done in about 1 hour.
We worked very well together and my DH really don't like messin with them chickens.
But he had saw all the pain and heartache i had been through and he wanted it to end as much as i did too.
But true to my luck my white face black spanish who just got taken off the querinitine list got put back on they each have a small pox on their combs.
I couldn't vaccinate the fawn duckwing roo that was with the two hens with pox because he had been exposed and it was the same for my blue splash the roo got it and exposed his hens.
So i could still have those 3 come down with pox and i hope not i will have a question about that,
I will have to vaccinate my chicks in 2 weeks because they are to young right now.

This is a big relief to know all 40 are safe^_^

So thats how it is right now and heres my question
If the roo and hens that were exposed don't get the pox should i vaccinate them??

That's good news for sure Harmony. Wow.. I'd be nervous too. I've given shots and drawn blood on horses for years.. but tiny chicken wing flaps.. NOT!!!

I hope this works for you. I'm sure you are relieved.. as well as a lot of us!

Harmony, I too have given all kinds of shots to all kinds of animals. Horses, cows, goats, pigs, but never to a chicken.
I am sorry I don't have an answer for you.
Is anyone in here perhaps a Vet Tech or know someone who is that could answer Harmony's question? I too would like to know.
Now, for more question's:
I have never had to vacinate my flock in the past for anything. With all that I have seen and read, in the forum, I am probably being silly, but, should I start vacinating? If so, what should I vacinate for? Pox is a bad disease but I notice that McMurray's has other vaccine's available too.
If I do vacinate, will the "germ" stay in the chicken's living quarters and perhaps pass that on to someone close by who has chickens but doesn't vacinate either?
Also, I have other types of birds here, budgies, finches, and parrots. How would vaccinating my chickens affect them?
I am bring in hatching eggs and trying to raise some stock. How does one know if the hatched out chick's parents have been vacinated? I am realizing real quick that people don't represent their stock quite as they are. That means I can't trust what they say.
Thanks everyone.
CS

This message was edited Oct 22, 2008 1:47 AM

Harmony,

I found this information:

http://www.poultryhub.org/index.php/Vaccination

It says in the 2nd paragraph that birds having the disease are naturally protected because they have the antibodies. If the other birds were exposed, maybe it is the same thing. I am not sure. This is the closest thing I could find. Do you have a university somewhere in GA with a vet school? Probably somebody there has avian experience and could tell you, either by phone or maybe email. Iowa State is very helpful in providing that kind of information via their vet school.

Claire

Thank you CMoxon.
I have pulled up that webiste and going to go read it.
CS

I bet Silkiechick would know....where is she?!

So it said on that site that vaccinated birds could pass on the disease to the one not vaccinated if housed together.

I haven't vaccinated my chicks and can't for 2 weeks do you think they are in danger of getting it now i'm worried again?

They are not in the same pen as the vaccinated birds put their pens aren't that far apart.

Oh goodness, I really don't know the answer to that. Can you move them for the 2 weeks? I just have no idea, I was trying to find the answer on the exposure question and that seemed to be the closest info I could find. Ugh....

I could move them but it would take some man power to move their pen it would have to be tomarrow afternoon but i could probably get it moved.

Oh dear, I wish Silkiechick were around, she would know, she is a poultry tech.

I had no idea the vaccinated birds would be contagius...........well Claire we live and learn.......and life goes on^_^

Sorry Harmony, I didn't mean to re-worry you. :-(

Maybe go look at my new pigeon thread....to have a smile?

But if they are contagious, it would be with the less virulent strain--so maybe not such a bad thing?

Okay Cat hadn't thought of it that way..........thanks i feel better about that now.

Claire you better go see your thread and see what i wrote sorry for the downer but you had to know^_^

Everyone, I think I will see if I can get ahold of someone at the Farm College in Corvallis, Oregon. Someone there should have some answers since that is a College that specializes Vet Services.
I will post what they say here.
CS

Thank you Copperstone I and all of us are learning about this pox and there just seems to be a never ending something or nother to this stuff.

I never knew it was such a threat Harmony.
We didn't have such things when I was growing up because if a chicken got sick, well it was "taken care of".
And my Mom was pretty picky about who got to go into the chicken house.
My grandparents had a huge chicken house. I have no idea how many chickens they had but there was a lot!! I remember seeing chickens everywhere I looked. Looking back I bet they had a at least 100 of them. As I remember they all raised the Mahogany Colored Rhode Island Red.
But, I think I was allowed into their chicken house exactly twice.
The hens were a lot broodier then as it has been bred out of chickens. Chickens have become litteral egg machines--not a living, feeling, breathing entity.
Wish my Grandmother was still alive. What she could tell me.
CS

I wish someone would tell my Marans and Welsummer about modern birds not being broody. They wasted about two months sitting on pingpong balls and now the Welsummer is moulting. I haven't seen a dark brown egg in ages.

Cat why have they been on ping pong balls for 2 months I'm confused did you think it would make them lay?
Did you not want to put some hatching eggs under them?

A broody hen won't lay and will sit on the ping pong balls forever.

The ping pong balls were to encourage them to use the nest boxes when they first started laying--and they worked. But then the Marans and Welsummer decided they had a large enough clutch of ping pong balls and started brooding them. The RIR using the same boxes never went broody, but eventually started laying under the pokeweed and morning glories and the Buff Orpington carried a ping pong to a nice spot under the confederate jasmine and started brooding it there, but being cleverer, eventually kicked the ping pong ball out and brooded nothing at all.

It has been a learning experience.

If you want them off the nest just remove the balls and they will get the hint if the hen under the polkweed is brooding nothing and won't stop try puting rocks in her nest.

They are all off their nests now--but the Welsummer, normally a most imposing bird, has decided to top off her first bout of broodiness by moulting.

Thats funny;)

Your birds are very amusing Catscan - I think they do these things just so you will have good stories to tell! How funny that she carried a ping pong ball to a good spot, and then had the audacity to kick it out! LOL!!!

Ok question on pox, maybe in wrong thread but here goes.

Does the mosquito carry the virus its self or it picks it up from something that is infected. I seen where Harmony said to Claire about the pigeons carry the virus and could be bitten by a mosquito and then the mosquito could bite a chicken and then infect it.

I am just terrified of my birds getting this, and I do not think I could do for them like Harmony has. I can not live in the chicken coop all day long, and most of the birds do not have separate pens YET!!!!

I don't have chickens but you can learn to do what ever it take to care for you animals I learned to give shots both to our diabetic cat and then to my diabetic mom. It was easier to give the cat the shots than my mom, the cat did not complain but then he would allow you to do any thing to him as long as you gave him treats. Infact one day mom gave him some tuna in the middle of the day and he started crying, finially figured out that he wanted his shot and treats. I pinched the skin on the back of his neck and gave him a couple of treats and he was happy.

Wren

Harmony,
I would DEFINITELY not take a chance of having your chicks by the vaccinated birds. Since, it is a live strain of pox, it is contagious, right? And we BOTH know how just how HIGHLY contagious a bird w/ pox is.

Let us know what you do. I will also be vaccinating my chicks. What did you decide on for the age of chicks. I read reports everyewhere from 2 days to 4 weeks+.

I have 4 that are 4 weeks and a 6+ week silkie that I need to vaccinate.

Thanks! pS-see other thread- 4 of the 7 eggs pulled from pox hen have hatched!
~music

Luvs The pox virus can be spread by a mosquito biteing a bird of any origin even a wild bird and then biteing a chicken.
It can also be spread from bird to bird contact and they don't have to be in the same pen to get it.
I found out it was tranfered by water so all mine got seperate water then i learned it could be passed by my clothes so i went to my pens clean and feed and cared for the well ones first then i tended to the sick ones and imediatly left not touching or even walking past any pens.
I also aquired 6 large bottles of Germ X and they were on top of my pens and i cleaned my hands often and even the doors i touched as well as my feed scoop handles and even smeared it on the tops of my feed bin.
I had seperate iodine and Q tips for the sick and it stayed at their pens and i used my germ x whenever i felt it was necessary.
I do believe that if i hadn't done all these exstreme measures i would have had more birds become sick with this.
As far as the pigeon goes well ive had chickens here for 7 years and the wild bird theory just didn't seem to fit now the mosquito yes in the respect i believe it partook of the infect first chicken and then spread it.
I was suspious of the cross of the pigeons because they were the last birds brought on to my property and i always search for the cause of something.
Remind you these are just theorys and i will never know the real reason they became sick but it was definately mosquito related and then moved threw my flock by several means.