Hi All!
I wanted to share a picture or two of my no dig garden - just put it in this weekend. It still needs about 6 more bags of compost, but otherwise it is ready to settle and will plant a few cool season crops after this last heat-up we are expecting Wednesday.
FYI, I used cardboard as the base later, sprinkled blood and bone meal on it after wetting it thoroughly, then a layer of alfalfa, wet that layer, then blood / bone meal again, then straw. I then wet the whole thing down again, sprinkled more blood and bone meal, then put about a 4 inch layer of compost on top (a mixture of green compost and steer manure). I planted directly into the compost and straw after that, and watered everything in well. We'll see how it goes! This was all done over a weedy patch of mostly Bermuda Grass, and I chopped away an aloe to the nub.
The aspect of the garden is South facing, with reflected heat and light from the concrete driveway and the white house wall. It is directly outside my pantry, so is a perfect location for a "potager"!
My No-Dig Garden
Ah, way cool! You are rich in soil amendments, you fortunate person! ;-)
I'll look forward to how this garden progresses...... hope to see reports?
ciao,
Kyla
Purty!
And that downspout nearby makes the perfect place to put a rainwater collector for your garden, Jungleman!
Shoe
My thoughts exactly! Pretty garden in the works, strategically located next to downspout for rainwater harvesting.
I was thinking about that, but we have a West Nile problem just up the pike in Rosemead. How do I do that without attracting mosquitoes? I'm up for getting a rain barrel, but those things are mosquito magnets.
Theoretically (and practically, according to a guy who does this in the Hollywood Hills), I would need to water about every ten days, using a soaker hose. I know, drip is possibly better, but sheesh - I just got the garden in!
Thanks for your comments - I'm totally trying something new here, so any advice will be well considered.
Jeff
Jeff:
That is cool, I just bought the lasagna gardening book and did started a couple beds. I put down newspaper, grass clippings and leaves. I just ordered a couple yards of manure that show up Saturday. I was going to put that down and some more leaves, then maybe some straw...should I do more grass? I also might have a bit of wood ash. I have a 50lb bag of alfalfa. Did not think of putting that on there until I read your post. Maybe I'll dump some of that on as well? I have a ton of lawn and want more beds, but hate removing sod so this is a good method for me! These beds will cook over winter, though I'll want to do some more in the spring that I'll plant right away. Miles
Jungleman, you can put mosquito dunks containing BT microbes into your rainbarrels to prevent the mosquitoes. Put them in at the beginning of the rainy season, then at the dose and intervals recommended on the package. This is an acceptable approach with vector control in this county.
Hey, Jeff, you know, we have a terrible mosquito problem in my yard. And we have a lot of the Asian tiger mosquitoes that carry West Nile. I have sealed off every opening on my French drain, cleaned out rain gutters, forsworn drainage saucers, and just about everything I can think of to get rid of them. Still they persist. It's the one big blight on sitting outside in my gardens.
Know what I learned this summer? Asian tiger mosquitoes don't breed in standing water like other mosquitoes do. They like to breed in places like piles of leaves. The leaves then hold water when it rains (or you irrigate), and that activates their eggs.
I do have "normal" mosquitoes that will breed in my unfiltered water gardens, if I'm not careful with the skeeter dunks. But that never got rid of all of the mosquitoes, and now I know why. I've been letting some of the oak leaves accumulate as mulch in some of my beds for years. It's done wonders for my hardpan clay soil. But it was also a mosquito heaven.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that you probably won't be breeding West Nile if you harvest rain water in a barrel. Just use your mosquito dunks (they DO work).
As for me, I haven't quite figured out what to do yet. I wouldn't mind raking up all the leaves if I could put them in the compost. But the mosquitoes find them whether they're in the beds, the bin, or even sealed bags waiting for the compost bin. The only thing to do is to be sure you have a good thick layer on top, so that you never have exposed leaves. Burying them should compost the leaves faster anyway.
We had a huge crop of toads and lizards this year, and that really helped a lot too.
pbtxlady, you may want to read the Bokashi threads in the soil and composting. AlohaHoya in Hawai'i has the same issue of mosquitoes breeding in the fallen plant material. She is going to try mixing the BT with the EM and spraying that on her lanscaping. It will be interesting to see the results she gets.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/904196/
I will read that, garden mermaid. I have been kinda reluctant to do widespread spraying of Bt because I love my butterflies, and don't want to take them out too. But hey, I don't really want to rake up all the leaves, either. Like it or not, mosquitoes are a threat to human health, and we need to deal with that. So thank you for the tip.
Right now, I am noticing a huge influx of flies! Of course, when you put out this much manure . . . so I'm wondering how long this will be an issue. I have good window screens so I am not THAT worried, but it is not exactly my idea of heaven! Should I put a thicker layer of mulch on top? Any suggestions?
Um, I think if you spring for some alfalfa hay and layer it on pretty thick it should at least greatly reduce the fly population. Works with compost anyway....... Other mulch might work too, don't know. Alfalfa does a lot to reduce the odor and that's one reason it works well for this. Good sweet hardwood leafmold if you have enough of it might work, hard to find that much tho I would think......
Jungleman, you may want to use a probiotic culture on your garden to keep eliminate the strong odors and keep the flies away. Scroll down to the video on this page and note how innoculating the ground in the dairy barn has made a difference in fly control.
http://www.emamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=176
If you've read any of the Bokashi/EM threads, you'll know that this really helps the plant growth as well.
Is EM 1 an organic product? It sounds like it, but just making sure!
Yes, you can use EM on a certified organic garden. These are beneficial microbes that occur naturally, all over the world.
Thanks garden_mermaid, I've never hear of it - where is it sold? Home Depot? OSH?
pbtxlady, there are different strains of BT available. The strain that works on mosquitos is different than the one used for caterpillars. You could call the company that makes your mosquito dunks and ask about the catepillars. Or you could just spray the oak leaves and water pockets possibly.
http://www.groworganic.com/greybox.html?pBoxName=insecticides
I ordered mine online. They have partnered with some chain stores, but I'm not sure which ones. Here are some links to the EMAmerica site. There are several companies making the mother culture. I have found that EM America has better customer service and more information.
http://www.emamerica.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
http://www.emamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=130&Itemid=170
Here are links to other DG threads on the topic. You may want to browse and see what others are doing with it.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/802294/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/796403/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/821756/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/852349/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/870485/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/890510/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/904196/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/828557/
GM, thanks for those links. That was all very enlightening.
I think I've been incorporating many of those practices into my organic gardening techniques, without knowing the names of any of them. I don't do what anyone would call a formal bokashi. But I do ferment my kitchen scraps inside before adding them to the compost pile. (That was a decision born of necessity, since we live near a nature park and have had problems attracting rodents.)
I also primarily fertilize with a homemade alfalfa/compost concoction. The brew includes molasses, yeast, seaweed, and some of the other ingredients used to make EM. When I learned about the benefits of the sugars in molasses a few years ago, it seemed to me that some of the same benefits could be derived from the sugars in soda and fruit juice. So, the last couple of years I've also incorporated most of the leftover liquids from our household. I keep any leftover soda pop, spoiled milk, coffee, beer, fruit juice, filtered water, etc. I don't have any scientific evidence that my additions add anything to the alfalfa & compost. All I know is that now I have a million more earthworms, and my plants have gone crazy.
Unfortunately, because of the rodents (and flies), I can't add most of these things directly to my compost. And it still takes a year or more for those oak leaves to break down. That's where the mosquitoes come in. I think I will just rake up all of the leaves this year, instead of leaving some, and try spraying them directly, as you've suggested.
Another thing that was very interesting was the use of EM in ponds. I use a conditioner to break up the chloramine, but it doesn't do anything for the algae or balance of the pond. Peroxide works, but I like the idea of using beneficial organisms much better. So I'll be looking into that too.
Jungleman, and all, I'd love to participate in this thread as I am attempting a no-dig garden also, but not sure if the local etiquette would rather I start another thread somewhere or jump in to this one..... so if I am off base here please advise, I will be happy to try to root my seedling questions and comments elsewhere! ;-)
So, I am new in my area (and also at DG...) and have a patch I am hoping to prepare for spring. I read this thread with great interest to see if what I can do with what I have available is comparable -- J-man, I am taking your lovely preparation of that bed as a kind of standard!
I have an interestingly uneven area measuring about 24 feet by 11 feet, though it is uneven, remember -- it has a mound of rocks and small boulders at one end that will be -- TA-DA! -- the "Rock Garden" of course. Next to that is a mound of dirt, there is another boulder, the rest is fairly level though it slopes slightly.
When I first began I pulled out some dried weeds and then thought better of it, put cardboard down, ran out of cardboard and put newspaper down over the rest -- this is on the flatter areas, not the mound or the rocks. Then raked up a bunch of variously rotted leaves next to the fence, spread them over........ watered it.
Finally got to a garden center (found one open its last week about to close for winter!) and got some steer manure and organic mulch. Spread that around this afternoon. By now the weeds have all sprouted and in those areas at the edges or where my cover is not complete enough they are quite prettily green! I dig them up and turn them over (just little patches) and put more newspaper over and cover. I am also layering some kitchen compost in as I go, mostly coffeegrounds and tea bags and uncooked green stemmy stuff, nothing (hopefully) that will attract any nuisance beasties......
I have not read the actual lasagna book, BTW, but I have picked up this and that. I understand I may not have thick enough applications to actually do the thing to the weed seeds underneath, this is an experiment with using somewhat limited resources and being inventive. I have gathered that in some versions one must actually cut through the cardboard or newspaper to plant and in other versions one plants on top of same and lets the roots and the rotting of the paper take care of beneath (this is my hope, that that cardboard and the newspaper will actually be relatively decomposed by the time I am ready to plant out there.)
I am also intending to play with winter sowing, have some seeds, collecting containers for that, and then plant that stuff out there. Except not the vegetables they sent, those I will either container garden with or something else, as the deer will make swift work of those goodies!
So, just thought I would tell about this and see if anyone has any tips at this stage of my game here. Sorry not to have access to camera, but so it goes.......
I am enjoying this forum immensely, BTW, thank you all.
ciao,
Kylaluaz
Kylaluaz - this is why I started the thread. I wanted people to discuss what they were doing - so I can learn from others!
I think your garden sounds right on track. The reason for the straw and alfalfa hay is to add brown and green materials together to create, in essence, a compost pile for growing. It also makes the garden more water wise, since the roots penetrate the stack to get the water that trickles inside to the bottom. Right now, I am having a difficult time getting anything to come up due to how arid it has been and a tad too warm for lettuces to sprout. The little brussels sprout plants got planted and soon dried up and blew away. I think it has just been too hot in general for my winter crops. Ideally, I would be reaping the benefits of a productive summer planting of tomatoes, basil, peppers and eggplant!
My timing has been off on SO many plants this summer - I really needed a good kick in the head before I was let loose on the garden center. My garden is a gallery of cooked crispy plants - I finally shaded my poor little Archonotophoenix palm, and will hope for the best on a speedy recovery! 92 degrees - and it's OCTOBER!
OK, great, and thank you! I hope to get some alfalfa, as I have worked with it before in composting and as a mulching material, I think it is fabulous stuff, but as of yet have not located a source around here. I am sure I will once I look, just haven't gotten to it yet.
I am not actually planting anything, well, I will be sticking some garlic in there in the next day or two, but I am not planting any veggies though I would love some winter greens! I think the critters would get it first and plus which this is my first time gardening in this part of the world and I know the climate is going to be turning very cold -- we already did have one 20 degree night a little bit ago, so waiting til next year for any real planting.
Sounds like you have the opposite problem there, with that heat....... yet I am sure there must be a way, it does sound like you need to shade stuff. Have you thought about rigging some kind of shade awning or the like -- I am recalling your photo, lots of reflected sun, maybe some kind of trellis material could be put over it on a light frame and then shade cloth you could roll up or down?
Don't you love it when people make all these plans for things you could do? LOL! But seriously, there are all these methods for growing in the cold, coldframes and such, seems there must be something for the opposite situation because surely it is not that uncommon. Like, the opposite of a greenhouse, a shadehouse.....
and now I am recalling from the greenhouse forum folks putting plastic over backyard swingsets for a greenhouse -- some kind of A-frame with shadecloth might work........ it could even look good if one cares about that.....
Well, wishing coolth to you and your poor crispy plants there..... post more about how it goes, okay?
I have considered shade cloth, but am happy to wait for the weather to change. It will cool down, then the plants will come up - I have faith in a seed - so to speak!
I see tiny cotyledons just under the light mulch layer of straw I put on, so they are just waiting to actually bare themselves to the sun.
I found the alfalfa near the L.A. Equestrian Center. I'm pretty sure there is a "feed" store in Weed - lots of rural property around there, so it's just a matter of looking online or in the yellow pages!
I'll stay in touch here on the Organic Gardening forum.
smart li'l things! (those cotyledons.....)
Oh, yeah, I am sure there is a place, just as I said have not gotten to that step yet. I was thinking this afternoon I might look into that tomorrow.
Matter of fact, I am hoping to make friends with someone with a horse for various other reasons. ;-)
Today I put that other mulch on and watered it all again. And stuck some garlic cloves in one corner, just so I can say I started.
oh the suspense..... LOL!
catch you later....
This is a good thread....I started my lasagna gardening in two spots about a month ago, did paper, grass, leaves and as a big bonus finally found a dairy farm that delivers manure...so I put a layer of that down. Now I have about two tons of maples leaves piled up by my stone walls (the wind rakes for me!) so in November I'm going to shred those and layer that one. Plus I convinced the SO to let me do another bed about 15 x 20' off my porch. Might as well let my 5 month winter do the work for me of creating a bed! No more digging for me. I'm going to lasagna all my beds in the fall for spring from now on....
I do think that the 18-24" deep layer recommended in the book will be a bit tricky to get to, but I figure if I can get to a foot deep I'll be happy. I don't thank any weeds are going to make it though what I already have which is about 6-8" at this point. And reading through this thread reminded me...I should toss some alfalfa into the mix to richen it up a bit.
Hey Miles, thanks for posting about your version of this. Interesting we have three different locations and climates, this thread could become a real repository of good experience and cross-reference.
Regarding depth of bed prep, if it has to be all that thick I am sunk! (Well, time will tell) But I have found reference to a book called Weedless Gardening by Lee Reich. The catalog says he has refined this system for 20 years, and has worked as soil and plant researcher for Cornell -- good creds there.. He layers newspaper and them mulches only 1 to 3 inches, and plants seeds in that mulch layer.
I intend to order this book but have not yet.
I will always cling to the advice of Ruth Stout, however, in terms of systems and experts -- which I cannot quote but the gist I retained was, those are guides only and as likely to be wrong as anything else, so use your common sense and just try it! ;-)
Kyla, my lasagna beds last year were nowhere near the 18-24 recommended inches. More like 6 or maybe 8 in some spots. That was not enough to kill off all the bermuda, but it sure was enough to make great enriched soil.
time will tell...my 6" layer is so dense I can't see how the weeds will make it through....can't wait to do my other bed in November right before the really cold weather kicks in.
Thanks Texas Lady for the encouragement. ^_^ Honestly, I have begun so will just have to see where this takes me.
Miles, if I get to 6 inches before it gets too cold out there to care ( ! ) I will be very happy.
Wow, I am glad to see that others see the sense in this kind of gardening. I should have titled the thread just, "No-Dig Gardening"!
My beds have compacted considerably - and yes, Bermuda Grass has a way of making it's way across and out from under the beds, so do put some significant barrier a few inches outside of the 'mound' of mulches if you are planting on top of said grass.
Well, thought I would post a bit of an update, and I do hope one day to get some pictures.
I had done as much as I could before the recent storm, raked up a bunch of leaf fall from the neighbors and spread over, watered to try to keep them there, intended to go seek out alfalfa and just did not get to that in time.
The storm involved a couple of days of wind with gusts up to 50 and 60 mph, so of course most of my leaves blew away -- well, half anyway. I did not grind up the leaves in advance cause I had no way to, nor the time (knew storm was coming.)
So, it rained 4 or 5 inches over that week, after being dry as a bone for however long. I still also do not have a rain gage, but watched out the window as the lower-lying areas of my new garden flooded. Then of course they drained, that was good to see, no surprises there. (I have been badly used by bad drainage, discovered only after planting some expensive shrubs in someone's yard and them getting flooded to the point of death, YOW!)
I had planted a few cloves of elephant garlic, and the buck deer that lives in the undeveloped brush out back did dig one up, but left it so I re-planted it..... I see his footprints out there a lot. Well, I knew he was there and if I plant anything he might like to eat I will cover it with a chickenwire cage or something.
Anyway, these last couple of days we finally had some clear weather and even sunny for part of it. I had ordered some iris and some daffodils and just for the desire of it, one salvia, from High Country Gardens. So, they arrived and I planted them. Then today I raked up a bunch more leaves -- already nicely wetted down, and spread over the places where previous ones had blown off. Watered some more, and then just as it got dark more rain came. ;-) I also got the latest batch of compostables dug in -- I am putting out there only raw green stuff like cabbage scraps and chard stems and green bean ends, along with coffee grounds and tea bags (strings and tags removed.) Hope that way the critters will not take too much notice.
I think this is going to work. I plan to keep adding layers of amendments throughout the winter, depending on weather and what I can get hold of. Most of what I plant will be from winter sown seeds I have not started yet. I did order also some other seeds that I am not sure what I will do with as they will be deer magnets. Spinach, for example. But okay, dealing with it......
Most of it will be flowers, and then if I can figure out how to protect some veggies I will weave them in. I did also order some onion sets and they will go in soon as they get here I think. Weather permitting.
Waiting til spring for the "rock garden" area as it will just be easier to figure it out then, I believe. And it may be a good thing not to get alfalfa, as that ole buck would surely eat up most of it anyway........ well, maybe not but he might invite his family -- it would be a race between whether the alfalfa would start to rot and get unappetizing first or the deer would eat it all first.
Ain't gardening fun? *BIG smile*
Kyla
Hi, Kyla,
Just wanted to mention that I'm a great believer in alfalfa. I've been organic gardening for almost 20 years. But, well, honestly, it just didn't ever really work all that well for me... until I started using alfalfa.
Like you, I have animal problems. I live in a large suburb, so we don't have deer. We do have rats, rabbits and raccoons. The raccoons don't cause too many problems, but the rabbits sure do, and the rats, of course, are a human health hazard. So, for that reason, I didn't really want to spread alfalfa pellets or meal and feed them. When I first started using it, I didn't really scope in on that, until it dawned on me that, well, it is, after all, animal feed. I mean, there's a reason I go to the feed store to buy it. (Can you tell I'm a city girl? LOL.)
So yeah, it attracts animals that aren't wanted here in my suburban neighborhood. Still, the good effects of alfalfa on my garden are just too good to pass up. So, a couple of years ago, I got in the habit of making alfalfa tea. (Of course I add other things too. Alfalfa is the base ingredient, but I might throw in seaweed, fish emulsion, soft colloidal phosphate, manure, epsom salts, compost, molasses, tea tree oil--whatever I have around.) It smells to high heaven until it dries, but it's well worth it. My plants have gone wild, and I can't dig a scoop of soil that isn't loaded with earthworms. That's saying quite a lot in my very heavy white clay. If I can use dry alfalfa and cover it with enough leaves or compost, great--I saved myself the time and trouble of applying the liquid. But usually I don't have enough other material to do that. Now I'm convinced that it works even better as a liquid.
I just wanted to mention all of that because, for me, alfalfa has become the main ingredient of a successful organic gardening program. Used as a soil drench, it doesn't cause animal problems. So I hope you'll give it a shot in your new beds.
Well, it has finally cooled down enough for the lettuce seeds to come up! They are just little babies right now with their seed leaves on. I guess the stormy autumn weather told them it was time! I got a soaker hose, but got one too long! I'm still waiting for the arugula and radishes to sprout.
I've had zero problem with rodents with this garden. Even the squirrels so prolific here (Native Live Oaks are a true draw) have stayed away. Had a few mushrooms come up on the compost - pretty sure they are the *magical* type, but am not enough of a mycologist (nor astral explorer anymore) to risk trying them! :)
I guess the straw is a natural deterrent for the snails. Those have been very few and far between.
Thanks for that info about the tea, Texas Lady. ;-) I so agree about alfalfa and actually have never gardened without it myself, once I learned of its benefits. And I have not written it off in this case either, just so far it has proven problematic to acquire.
How do you make the tea? Have you posted about your method elsewhere in the forums (since this is a No Dig thread, don't want to lead us too far afield here) -- I mean in terms of containers, quantities, time, etc.......?? could I do this in a couple of five gallon buckets, or what?
J man, editing to say, glad you have sprouts! Interesting that the straw might deter snails, as I know they do love alfalfa..... or they did when I used it.
This message was edited Nov 8, 2008 7:45 PM
Yes, Kyla, I think I've posted about it before, but it might have been on other forums. Like you, I don't want to hijack the thread. But, in the organic gardening forum, I don't think it's straying too far. The old organic maxim is feed the soil. Doesn't matter if it's a brand new bed with no plants in it yet.
Lasagna gardening works because it's basically a form of cold composting, right in the bed instead of in a pile. Your beds will be great if you just add newspaper, leaves, and peat or compost, and don't do another thing. Mother Nature will take over. But, just like with a "normal" compost pile, you can improve it even more, speed it up considerably, and give your plants a great start if you add more ingredients. It doesn't matter if the ingredients are layered in dry, or added wet. Personally, I just find it easier to mix them all up as a tea and apply it all at once, and it also avoids the rodent problem. But others may think it's easier to layer them in the bed dry.
And yes, I make my teas in 5-gallon buckets, just because they are easiest for me to handle. (Others use garbage cans.) When I first started doing teas, I bought a pump and air stones for aeration, and followed all of the proper directions. I'm afraid that now I'm a lot lazier. My air pump broke, and instead of buying another, I just bought lids for my buckets (to keep skeeters out). Now I just dump everything in and let it brew for 2-3 days. I do stir it 3-4 times a day. Otherwise, I can't tell any difference.
Let's see, what do I put in. Well, there's the alfalfa. I also add a good dose of my homemade oak leaf compost. These two things alone contain most of the ingredients in any market fertilizer. Then, from my gardening supplies, I add whatever I have, which might be epsom salts (magnesium, deficient in our alkaline soils), Texas greensand (iron, better than the generic greensand), liquid seaweed, soft colloidal phosphate, a few drops of tea tree oil, and a few drops of Superthrive. If I'm lucky enough to have manure around, I add that too. Then, from the kitchen, I add milk (anti-fungal), corn meal (also anti-fungal), molasses (sugar), fruit juice and soda pop (sugar), coffee and/or grounds (nitrogen, acid), and either beer or a package of yeast. (Here's a tip: I save ALL the leftover liquids in my kitchen. Yes, it spoils and stinks, and has to be kept covered and out of sight, and is disgusting--but boy, do my plants love it! Doesn't matter--the fermented alfalfa smells so bad, who cares about the spoiled milk. LOL!)
As for application, I should also mention that I heavily dilute it. I put the first third on my heavy feeders, like brugs and tomatoes. When the bucket is about 1/3 empty I top it off with water, and keep doing that until the water is pale instead of brown. Usually 2 buckets does my little postage-stamp lot. The leftover sludge goes in the compost pile.
That's really it. Brug lovers may recognize it as an organic version of "the recipe," without chemicals. But I apply it to everything, including empty beds. I have to do this once a month, because all the topsoil was stripped from my lot when my house was built, and I need a lot of lasagna beds and soil activity to rebuild it. It shouldn't be necessary to do it that often in normal topsoil.
I don't know why it works. But I do know that, since I started doing it, I have plants going crazy and lots of wildlife. That's good enough for me. :)
Thanks! One more question: How much alfalfa do you put in one of those buckets?
Well, two questions: Why the tea tree oil??????
Wow pbtxlady, thanks for the recipe! It sounds like a very biologically active mixture. ANY soil would love to have that going on!
Can you link to "the recipe" for brugs? I would like to know about it - even if they are using synthetics.
Thanks!
Jeff
You know, I've read different things about the amount of alfalfa to use. I tend to put 3 or 4 cups in a 5-gallon bucket.
As for the tea tree oil, that's a new one for me this year. They say it has anti-fungal benefits. We had some here, so I figured it couldn't hurt.
Jeff, everyone has their own version of the recipe. Some use Bloombooster or MG, but it's easy to just use alfalfa instead. Anyway, the thread is over on the brug forum: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/803019/ .
Update:
I thought I would post a couple of recent pics of my no-dig veggie garden. I was only successful with the lettuces, which came up in profusion where planted. I just hack them off and they come back for another salad. They have a nice flavor much deeper than what you buy even in an organic veg. market!
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