I personally love what you have been able to do with these in such a short period of time. Wildfire, Roter Vulkan, Amethyst...and arborea would be my favorites of this group so far right now. Now, when do we get to see your seedlings from these crosses?
Hi Eric, how's things?
I am sat here watching the seed pods waiting for them to mature!
A long wait on the Sangs.
Nice Pic.
Alan
Yes Alan, those sanguinea can be a pain as seed bearers. I'm putting more into my arborea in hopes of getting a few heat tolerant genes into the mix. Never mind the shorter time for seeds which is well worth keeping a few arborea around just for that fact alone. My sanguinea pods are making me grow very impatient. Thankfully, I will have more Goldenes Kornett seeds than you can shake a stick at in the very near future. Time to get out the tiller! I'm going to have a full yard of pure aurea seedlings come next summer. A few aurea of mixed parentage as well to be sure, but needless to say I am stoked.
Sounds great Eric,good luck with them
Alan
Oh a walk the other day, I came across this tree which is a new to me. Have you see this one before, Hurstwood?
I thought it was so delicately pretty.
I was thinking I should go over there and stick some arborea pollen on it. LOL
Kell, that's gorgeous!!! Are you going to prune it anytime soon? If so I would absolutely love to trade brugs with you!
Roberta
Wildfire has a boat load of arborea influence showing heavily in the flower and even more so in the anthers. I haven't managed to get any pods on her though. What about you Alan? I have managed to get some pods via her pollen though. Unfortunately, most are on other sangs or vulcanicola types and this is no good for me as I want a more heat tolerant arborea that is red. We need large numbers of arborea x Wildfire if we are to hope for a nice heat tolerant red arborea in the future. Keep working on this with me Alan. Please. You have a stunning collection consisting of the arborea group and your seedlings have given me promise for a few of my seedlings that are germinating now. I may be a bit behind you, but I'm keeping the faith.
Well... I 'll follow both Eric and Alan in this work.. I think the flowers have such a great look.. wonderful color..
Great color onyous too Kell.. Beautiful flower there...
My Sang and the Flava X's are still outside..catching the brunt of the comming winter here.. the viral affected one is inside though..and the leaves seeem a bit clearer since.. The sang outside seems a bit ragged.. bet it's mostly the wind.. rather than the cold.. the fuzzy leafed Flava X.. one I thought had some stem ailment [ SB? ] but then descided it was just rose thorn abuse.. I left it alone.. didn't cut it out or off.. and is the more amazing.. it's got the fullest healthiest of leaves now..looking like it's been greenhouse grown.. the leaves are smaller than the sang.. and not as fuzzy.. but not one leaf is yellowed or torn or dropped at all ... and it's been subject to the ravages the others have had.. here's it's current picture. Also... there is a bit of the other [ same ] falva cross...but with a smoother leaf. .. on the far right of the photo...showing the yellowing and torn look of everything outside.. and a bit of New Dawn..rose flowering in the cold...
Those are all so pretty, I would love 1 one each. LOL When you come to visit the other Linda, You can come to the beach too.........Linda
GordonHawk, those specimens are looking very nice. I hope you have some arborea pollen or plants in the works for some of your breeding. I have a theory, if you take a nice flava, vucanicola, etc. and cross it to arborea and then take each and every seedling that results and cross these to another arborea. Those red, yellow, purple genes will be diluted, but they will be hidden in enough of your seedlings from your F3 cross to warrant crossing a few back to your original flava to see which ones are hiding the colored genes. Then, simply cross enough of those siblings that are still carrying those color genes together and also heavily arborea in nature and you should get a few in color similar to wildfire or hopefully better. Of course, it wouldn't help to start out with something exceptional like Alan or I have already. I really can't imagine another Brugmansia like Wildfire. Her anthers are so reminiscent of an arborea that it makes my head spin. Most of the flava, sangs, etc. have such short anthers that it makes one wonder how this trait came to be so pronounced in them.
Hi Roberta. Sorry but this tree is not mine. I can visit though! It had just been severely pruned too. We are mild here so I bet this blooms all winter with a few flowers here and there. I may see if I can get some pollen though.
Thanks Gorden. I am still so impressed you are successfully growing those in the summer heat of NYC. If you need some true Arborea pollen I think I have some flowers right now. My trouble is my Arborea is under an apricot tree and it has grown up thru its canopy to the sky and is now taller than my house. Hard to reach the flowers. I can't move it because years ago the roots went down into the ground from the 25 gallon pot it is in. Next seed pod I am going to start myself a few more. However, there is one branch that goes out the side that I can reach so if it has flowers, I can harvest some for you.
Kell, if your saying you have an arborea this large... I think we need to get you some wildfire pollen to play with so you can pollinate before the arborea flower has a chance to produce any viable pollen!
Bummer! It's beautiful. I just love flowers that have red and yellow!
Hi Eric. Welcome back to Dave's! It has been awhile.
I can do that but I sure can't grow the seedlings out. My yard is so stuffed now.
Yes.. indeed Kell.. not alot ofchance of flowers now..unless theystart inside... they are still outside although tonight is our first freeze... the wet grass is crunchy as I'm moving the lastalready dug brug into thepink cool house... threre are the sang and the Flava cross still in the big planters.. I think they can take it for awhile... ..I'd love to have some abora pollen ready for when they flower..Thanks.. Gordon
Sorry, I'm a little late answering ?
Kell, that looks very nice,never mind pollen, go get me a branch. LOL
Eric, I'm trying my damdest to keep up with you :-)
I have no pods on Wildfire but have set pods on other Sangs/Vulcans and Flavas using her pollen.
What seedlings have you got germinating Eric?
I have just received 6 seeds of Arborea x {Lilac x Engelsglockchen}
Pretty excited about these, just hope that pollen was sucessful and its not a self pollinated Arborea??
Hopefully I will see a difference in seedling leaves.
Keep up the good work everyone.
Alan
I am wondering where they got this one. I understand the lady has traveled all over the world collecting rare plants and bringing them home in her younger life. She is mostly into palms, succulents and cactus. She has cactus that are 20 feet tall. All crammed into a small yard. She must have 30 full size palms. I am going to drop a note into her mailbox and see if I can get an invite for a tour. I have taken so many pictures of her yard over the years.
My arborea is incredibly self fertile. The arboreas at Strybing in San Francisco are not self fertile. I was told they were hybrid arboreas. They wanted my seeds which I gave them then they got tossed out in error. I still need to give more to them. I look up and see lots of pods but I think some animal must eat them for rarely do I find them on the ground.
Gordon, I will collect some pollen for you. My main problem is the blooms are always so high up. I have my potting table under it and I get to smell such a wonder fragrance early evening if I am out there potting up.
Eric do you have a high-quality arborea to work with? I have a great wild-form, self-fertile strain that is very vigorous and blooms almost year-round here, except for the two coldest months when it's in storage. The leaves looked great all summer here (similar here to Alan's climate) and were not affected by the heat, in an Eastern exposure, unless I forgot to water.
I can't remember if I sent you seeds of these or not?
Kell that one is beautiful. B. x flava maybe? Go knock on the door and tell her we have to know where it came from, lol. :^)
- Tom
Kell
I agree with Tom,go knock on that door and ask questions ! LOL
Remember to get my 'branch' on the way out !
Linda, a visit to the beach sounds great,thanks for the offer,I'll start packing my luggage :-)
Alan
I am going back. There is a cactus across the street that Kyle (Eclipse) wants a pod off to grow out. I have a few doors I need to knock on. LOL. I will try to pollinate a few of her blooms for us. A really good friend of mine lives 2 blocks away. It is a great gardening neighborhood.
I took some pictures of my arborea, or what I can see of it. LOL. The wood there is the lathe that is over my back porch. It is 8 feet up so you can tell how very tall the arborea is. That is a fuschia next to it and it too is reaching for the sun. It all needs to be pruned way back so the sun can hit the aborea's lower branches to get them flowering. I should be able to get you pollen in the spring Gordon. My tree climbing days are long over. LOL
The red X marks an arborea flower.
Here is a close up. You can make out the fuschia to in this one.
lovely Kell...great growing... It's similar to the overgrown nature of it all I have here.. if I had more space. I'd not be in any better shape.. there would just be more bigger plants.. thanks for the understanding of this aspect of nature [ human ]
I am such a plant hog, Gordon. LOL. I have 3 different kinds wisteria on that lathe as well as the best vine ever. It blooms right thru December for me. And in looking at that picture, I saw a that my kiwi vine has come back. I never even saw it in person and it has already broken thru the top. LOL
My favorite vine which has now jumped from the lathe to an apple tree I have in the corner of my property!
HAHA I believe they call it a conisour..collector Kell... Or I call it a research assistant in Gods Garden..
So your favorite looks a bit like a mandevilla.. Alice Dupont.. coud it be..
OH.. a Kiwi..didn't think it would be cool enough for them there.. you have to have a male and female to make it work..you understand.. I was researching Kiwi's years ago when I was at mothers.. and met up ith a lovely professor at AL A+M whogave me a pile of doctoral papers onthem..real interesting.. Chineese Monkey Fruit.. as only the monkeys could enjoy them growing inthe canopy.. in the Yangsee River Vally... interesting...when China was inan open time... botanists went in and collected.. only the best fruiting vines.. and took them off to New Zealand.. and Haywood , CA for research.. and grew them up.. but never got any fruit.... only then to find they did need the non fruiting males to make it work.. but by that time China was closed off.. and they had to await the reopening to get back in and capture some males...then they were able to develop the one we have now... often a variety called Haywood.. they were looking foward to a harvest of 10,000 lbs / acre.. and recomended a trellis of 8' telephone poles and a heavy wire to string them on... as they are more fericeous[ strong ] a grower than wisteria.. but have a lovely red velvet covered leaf... a knock out on it's own.. It was a bit too cold for them in North Alabama though.. my 20 telephone poles were a labor of research..
that one lane mindset.. of only getting the flowering vines... was similar to the people going into Peru.. and taking back the big potato to Ireland.. .. in Peru.. they had many hunderd varieties... and when there was a problem with one .. there were all the others to harvest those years... in Ireland.. when there was a problem.. and there were no others.. well you know what happened..Famine... Bio Diversity...and Heirloom stockpileing..
Actually it is Distictis Rivers, Gordon. It is a bit heartier than Mandevilla. And I think much more entertaining as a vine. It also blooms in big clusters and doesn't need as much warmth.
Very interesting info on kiwi! I would think that maybe we are not hot enough here for kiwi fruit. I am on the coast in Northern Ca. So we stay about 76 all summer with little if any frost in the winter. Usually we get enough cold to kill off my annuals and take the leaves off my brugs. When I moved here there were 4 kiwi vines over the lathe but I am a flower junkie so they soon got dug out. I still get runners now and then 30 years later! I have one now in the side yard that running up an oleander and no kiwi have been planted there in the past. I haven't had the heart to yank it yet for you are right, the leaves are beautiful themselves. .
I didn't keep them long enough to see if they set fruit. Actually that is a lie. I did get fruit and lots of it but it was small. Though 2 years ago I bought a Issai which has the mini kiwi fruit and you do not need both the male and the female vine. But it still is sitting out there in its gallon can waiting for a place to call its own.
Kell, there used to be a nursery in Campbell that sold several varieties of kiwi. The owner has them growing and fruiting all along the fence line. I think the north bay gets a greater maritime influence than does the south bay.
Well.. Kell...
Let me help with how a kiwi got to be in your side yard.. It could be as easy a a bit of discarded fuit salad..edyour
I'm with you Kell ..why grow food... when you can grow flowers to feed your soul..
So true Gordon or perhaps a bird flew over this cuckoo's nest after gorging on kiwi. LOL
Veronica, the South Bay gets so hot and more frost too. The nursery wasn't Yamagami's was it?
No, Kell, it wasn't. Yamagami is in Cupertino near Hi 85. This little nursery was in Campbell proper. I remember the nursery was actually part of the owner's yard. I only plants I remember were the kiwi because I bought a pair and got my DH to sink some galvanized t-posts in cement for me. We moved before the plants began to bear fruit.
Gordon, while I agree it is great to grow flowers to feed the soul, being able to eat fresh fruit right off your own trees, shrubs or vines is fantastic. I used to have edibles all over my yard in San Jose.
LOL Veronica, I read Campbell and thought Cupertino. My brain synapses are unique!
I used to have many more fruit trees but when they were full of fruit I could go buy the same fruit at the Farmers Markets for so little, slowly they have been replaced with flowering trees that do not have the messy cleanup. Though I still have a few. My favorite is coming out in the morning and picking apricots and eating them as I do my garden walk.
