morning glory

need ID !

Dany - The photo you posted doesn't seem to exactly match any of the cultivars that I am aware of...the colors can often mutate...

There is one entry in the PlantFiles that is simply called 'henka' and although the Romaji term henka is a general term used to refer to extreme mutants,the coloration of the bloom you posted resembles the following entry to my point of view
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/81328/

Thanks for sharing your photos...

Ron

henka is too small , the size of henka is the size of ip. purpurea .I think
This one is like ip. tricolor.
" often mutate " it's true , this new picture, I see 3 different types of flower:
totaly blue
clear blue
and blue with streaks

Beautiful photo, dany12!

I agree with Elsa ... lovely photo of all your blooms! What a pretty vine! :-)

dany - The photos entered in the henka entry may be somewhat misleading because I know for a definite fact that the usual blooms produced by the henka type in the PlantFiles has produced large blooms with subsequent generations producing a wide range of color variations...including some that look like the latest photo that you posted...

Talk to you...

Ron

I need ID

Dany - Looks like a cross between something like a
Scarlett O'Hara
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/88943/

and a

Xiongs
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=2593435

The throat looks darker than the limb...

I'm not saying that it *is* a cross,it just looks like it could be...

TTY,...

Ron

another pic

with your answer Ron ,I realize there is probably two types of Scarlet O'Hara
Mine has little white throat !

dany - You have posted photos of some solid throat and tube and some with obvious white...

Do you have both types growing (?)

The types with the obvious white throat should be
Wine & Roses
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/55119/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/93108/

Jackie - I discussed the odd colored look of the leaves with Emma...but I / we decided that for the relatively small amount of money,that it was worth checking them out...


TTY,...

Ron

Ron, do you think this is the same variety as the one dany12 first posted? The first blooms off this vine were more of a plum color than blue, and the actual flowers are a bit darker than this picture.

Here's a side view of another bloom

Woofie, we see how you keep your plants happy...margaritas!

This message was edited Sep 25, 2008 12:23 PM

Well, those bottles do make nice watering cans. Sigh, getting the bottles empty, tho, is such a chore. :-)

Gardening always seems like less work with an adult beverage near by LOL!

LOL Woofie and Joseph

Ron I agree on the FS. Especially since we know FS can produce some
unusual flowers. They all can. Part of the excitement of growing these
beauties. :-)

This message was edited Sep 25, 2008 5:23 PM

Is there no place in the PF to state bloom size? The blooms on my vine are only about 2" to 2-1/2" across. Anyone know the normal size of the henka blooms? I was going to post a separate thread for identification of my flowers, but this one looks so similar to dany12's.

Hi woofie
your is more "picotee " type
Dany

another

Oh, silly me, you are so right. I'm very new to MGs (obviously). I was focused more on the coloration and didn't notice the shape as much. Soooo, I still don't know what I have here. I bought them as just "blue" JMG seeds. MG's are sooo pretty; yours have lots more flowers than mine, tho.

woofie - The flower you posted is not the same as the ones that dany has posted here...

I would say that you have a single blue kikyo
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/172916/
...the term kikyo is Romaji which refers to the 5 pointed shape like a platycodon bell flower...the shape is a kikyo...

The marketing world has been using the coloration term of 'picotee' as if it refers to the shape (which it most definitely does not) and causing much confusion in the process...

The flower size is most often between 2 and 3 inches...

Hope that helps...

Ron

Thanks Ron. MG nomenclature is very confusing for a newbie like me. That link to the PF certainly looks like my flower. So, if I understand correctly, the term "picotee" could be applied to both my little flower as well as dany12's? Since they both have a white border? So what would be the complete botanical name for this plant? Since the name in the PF does not include the term "kikyo", which seems like it should be there. Did I mention that I find this all confusing? :-)

(And if you want to get really confused, "picotee" is from the French "picote" meaning "marked with points"--go figure)

woofie - You asked:

"So, if I understand correctly, the term "picotee" could be applied to both my little flower as well as dany12's? Since they both have a white border?"

Yes

You also mentioned

"Since the name in the PF does not include the term "kikyo", which seems like it should be there..."

The Romaji kikyo is part of the common terminology as used in Japan to refer to the MG's that have the star shape,but it is not part of the scientific botanical name...botanically the kikyo are a type of Ipomoea nil.

You are likely to find the kikyo term used on ebay (where some merchants have inquired as to the more accurate description) and as used by some non-ebay retailers who have acquired seeds directly from Japan where the star shaped MG flowers are referred to as kikyo, not picotee...

I have also researched the etymology of the term picotee and found references to the picots (e.g., a picot fence) ,but the bottom line is that the way the term picotee is used in modern Western nomenclature to describe flowers,a picotee is a flower with a different (although in MG's an often lighter) colored edge..no more,no less...

My questioning the usage of the term picotee in the last paragraph of my post here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1760447
Reply
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=1760680

I agree that the kikyo should be entered and described as kikyo and not as picotee, and although I do what I can in trying to maintain the accuracy of the PlantFiles as per the Morning Glory entries, but there are definite limits to influence of my experience...


Hope that helps...


Ron



This message was edited Sep 28, 2008 4:36 PM

Thanks Ron; that is interesting AND helpful. It seems to me then that to be more precise, my flower should be described firstly as kikyo and then also as picotee.

I also seem to remember coming across a reference that defined picotee as the edge being just a different color, not confined to having only a lighter edge. Is that your understanding, or is that just some flower peddler's misuse of the term?

woofie - I agree that a kikyo should be primarily referred to as a kikyo,so I would describe a kikyo with a picotee as a picotee kikyo...the adjective preceding the main object described (e.g., white elephant)...

You mentioned:
"...defined picotee as the edge being just a different color, not confined to having only a lighter edge"

Yes,that seems to be the consensus...


TTY,...


Ron