The "secret" lily:
Another Dawning
It's coming . . . .
Then I got my first digital camera, a Panasonic Lumix TZ4.
So I've been learning, and taking about a bizillion pictures.
Don't forget the pincers!
Lilium speciosum var. gloriosoides
I removed the bud as it emerged on the other plant. And I might not have even let this one develop, but coming from overseas, I just had to make sure it was the real thing.
So now, if anyone would like some pollen - it's up for grabs.
Rick
What do you have it growing in? The type of soil that is.
It's quite lovely. Love that petal form and spotting.
If I had more sense when I planted the bulbs, Andy, I would have made the soil more acidic. but it is just growing in a mix of promix, sand, and a heavy soil based potting soil. They are in a pot. The Glorywhatsits won't survive winters this cold.
Wow, what a neat lily! How will you over winter it? Thank you for posting it. :)
The soil will pretty much dry out in the fall, then I'll bag up the pot and put it in the frig for the winter. I am a single man with a full size frig, so I have extra room to fool with. Right now I have closed empty boxes in there. If there is condensation on the bag after it is in the frig for a day or two. I will take it out and change the bag. Then back in the frig.
Stunning! Kinky little devil, isn't she?
Sometimes, kinky can be good.
Nope, not going to say it. Can't make me.. Nope...
Well I think those pincers are delightfully wicked looking. The kinkies are cool, the ruffles awesome and the spots and whiskers and etc etc are wonderful and terrific (back to my glass of wine now...).
I wonder how fertile GloryW. is with other orientals?
Only one way to find out.....
But you HAVE to HAVE a GLORIOWHATSIT to find out...
Or ask Lefty for some pollen...
So the gloriosoides variety is a lot less hardy than the species?
Yes, it is reputed to be far less hardy than L. speciosum var. rubrum and var. album. I won't have the guts to test it in our zone 4 though. I only have two bulbs.
It's too late in my season to try for a seed pod on gloriosoides, especially in its first season here and in a pot. I just want to be sure to get them through the winter. But what of the pollen? Pard, did you have any success with it from Wallaby? I didn't. But the post would be quicker between intercessor and you, and me. I could send whole anthers, fresh in a paper envelope, and padded.
According to Nishikawa,et.al., var. gloriosoides isn't exactly listed in their phylogenetic tree. Speciosum var. clivorum is, however. An interesting finding is that clivorum is probably as or more closely related to L. auratum var. platyphyllum than the auratum type species is to auratum var platyphyllum.
Apparently, not much work was done with L. spec. var. rubrm and album, or results were inconclusive (or maybe accidently botched?). These varieties aren't listed in their findings at all that I could find.
Assuming speciosum var. gloriosoides can be delt with as if it were clivorum (a big if), orientals with speciosum blood, japonicum blood, or auratum var. platyphyllum blood would seem to have the best chance of producing offspring with gloriosoides.
Lefty, no I have not had success with the wallaby pollen but I still have some in the freezer. I'll try some of yours if you still have some. I would think that just shaking some on foil, folding it up and dropping it in an envelope will work. I always label it in case it gets loose in the post office and people freak out.
As far as fertility is concerned, McRae reported seedlings when crossed with other forms of speciosum. Lisa Hunt sold seeds from gloryw. x album and I have some of those going but I don't know if they are still alive. Will find out when I bring them out of the fridge in a couple of months.
So glad your gloriowhatsits produced an, ummm, gloriowhatsits flower Lefty! Very nice too!
I still have some pollen in my freezer too, tried it on speciosum (rubrum maybe) last year with no result. Poor gloriowhatsits this year grew about two feet then the tip rotted off, even though it was in a greenhouse without rain puring through the now closed window above! Well, I nearly rotted off too, not sure about my tips though, woops, watch my language, it was just too cold until late July!
The pollen surely must have had an effect on the L. philippinense though, made it produce seeds with no other pollinator, perhaps tricked it as can rarely happen. The babies are now in the ground, I separated one lot and left the other as it was with no disturbance. The separated lot were smaller anyway, with some buds making which rabbits had for dinner, the other lot has a couple of more robust plants with a flower bud each, one just opening and it looks like the parent so far. It will be a mangled bloom though, one side had been chewed and cut a little! Seems with L.philippinense only a few plants are robust, my original good plant is still the best with others just growing or still small plants.
I will have to try the pollen on L. philippinense again when they open, have two stems now with 4 and 1 bud. I'm surprised it's managed to do any good at all with the cold, it might not be warm enough to produce this year if it did set, it was hot in 2006!
I'll send the pollen off tomorrow, Pard. I still have your address, unless you moved since 2006.
Wallaby, I think your going to have to do better than waiting until your philippinense opens to pollinate it. If yours are like mine (or like my formosanum), if you open the bud even the day before they open, there is some pollen already ripe inside the bud! But if you are careful opening the bud, usually you can keep the stigma away from the anthers until you can snip them off. You don't want any contamination. Both formosanum and philipinense are self fertile, you know.
Thanks, Lefty. Yup, same address...
Thanks for the tip Lefty, when I did it before it was only just opening, but as you say, it can already have done the job! I had thought L. philippinense was not self fertile for some reason, lol!
Well I know for sure that phil is self fertile because I did a clean self fertilization (pollen from the same flower) on it last year and it made a huge pod and many many many huge happy seeds.
A fabulous lily - I need one! Thanks for the information as always.