Morning Glory in question

Hello,

I got these Morning Glories from a wholesale nursery. Bought 5 pounds of them for a relatively low price. They were sold as Flying saucers. Every Morning Glory enthusiast certainly knows that Heavenly blue and Flying saucer are the most common Morning Glories and the cheapest available.
I sell them in my web store, at Ebay and also at Daves marketplace. Now Emmagrace contacted me to let me know these aren't Flying Saucers, but Purple-Flaked Shibori 'Aomurasakizyouhatensibori' Ipomoea purpurea. She sent me a link to those and also to Flying saucers and to be honest, I don't see any difference. The seeds of those 'flying saucers' or whatever they are, just look like Heavenly Blue seeds.

I also have many variations on the same plant. Some blooms are plain purple, while others are plain white. I do not have pictures of those right now, but will make some, once they bloom again in those colors.

Can somebody please confirm Emmagrace's statement?

Here is an other picture

and an other one where the petals are split

Here are the seeds. Sorry, it's a bit blurry

Sorry, the second picture is from an other plant. Please disregard the second one.

I'll confirm the flower you are picturing is indeed Purple-Flaked Shibori 'Aomurasakizyouhatensibori' Ipomoea purpurea. I have grown the same flower and yes there are some color variations to it. Here is my solid version.

oh wow i love it. cool variations.

Ok, but what about the seeds? Aren't those typical for Tricolor? I also have purpurea Morning glories. The seeds look different.

I am now wondering, if the huge plant I have at my front porch is a mix of the one seed of Flying saucer that I planted and an other one that maybe popped up voluntarily wich is the purpurea?

I will have a closer look at the flowers today and see, if I can discover any differences.

I just can't imagine a nursery would sell a japanese variety, which are way more expensive than Flying saucer for such a low price and in masses of several pounds.

The seeds sorta look like tricolor seeds. Weird weird weird.

Joseph

I guess I know what happened.
I inspected the plant today and found a couple of seed pods ready. The seeds don't look like the one that I have planted there. They indeed look like purpurea.
Since this Morning Glory grows between 2 very tall grasses, I never saw, if there was more than one plant growing. I pushed the grasses to the side and saw only one stem. Hmm...
So the only thing that could have happened is, that the seed I have planted, didn't make it, but an other one in the ground already, popped up voluntarily, which is the Japanese one.

That means, what I am selling is Flying saucer according to the seeds, but what I have pictured is Aomurasakizyouhatensibori since this is the one that grew exactly where I had planted the Flying saucer..
I had many more volunteers popping up in my yard, like weeds, obviously from the previous house owners (bought the house last year in october). I pulled them all. Maybe I pulled some other nice varieties without knowing it.

I could catch an almost white one this morning, growing on the same plant.

Turtlegaby - the Aomurasakizyouhatensibori was my first JMG, and I will grow it each year! It is just like Ronnie said - the blooms are varied - no two are the same! I'm not at home right now, but here are some blooms I posted last week - and they were all from the same vines!

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5465566
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5465567
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5465615
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5465636

I did take more pix over the weekend, and there were some solid white blooms also! I just love the variety of the blooms!

Yes, that's exactly what mine look like also. But my leaves are not as pretty as yours. They are rather yellowish and look like they are dying now.

Isn't there an English name for this Morning Glory? This Japanese name is terrible.

Between you and me, I call it Ao for short (shh, don't tell anyone!). 9 times out of 10 I will put in that extra N in the middle if I try and spell it out!

gaby - I don't know what you have growing where or stored in what packages...as your organizational method is your own...

I only know what I see in the photos you have posted...

Ipomoea purpurea blue-purple flaked
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Turtlegaby_1220479150_182.jpg
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Turtlegaby_1220479347_689.jpg

Ipomoea purpurea - dilute flaked
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Turtlegaby_1220548679_531.jpg

Ipomoea nil - blizzard
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Turtlegaby_1220479268_666.jpg


seeds - Ipomoea tricolor
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Turtlegaby_1220479639_359.jpg

I am absolutely positive on my assessment of the photos you have posted...

Unless you are extremely experienced do not attempt to determine the species by the look of the flowers...

The SEPALS are how you determine the species...and although the flowers of different species may look similar...determining the correct species IS vital to the ever increasing population of MG enthusiasts who are interested to prevent unwanted crosses or to do intentional crosses...

There are links in the FAQ's sticky on how to identify the different species...

Ron

The seeds you posted, Gabi, are most likely tricolor as Joseph has pointed out, strange indeed. I bought a couple of times from wholesalers at ebay and formed my own opinion of wholesale vendors; generally they know very little about these plants and want to make a quick buck. Even if it was a good price you got your 5 pounds of seeds for (I thinks they are rather for people who are going on some kind of hallucinogenic trip comparable to banana-skin smokers). You had better make sure you know what you are talking about before you resell because you will have lots of unhappy customers in no time. Often it is too late to given an evaluation at ebay once we have the results, but beware of vengeful customers all the same, they will surely remember a name like turtelgarby :=), and you don't want to risk your good reputation.

My advice: Subscripe to DG and read up in the threads, i.e. if you are interested in the knowledge part rather than the money part and pop your questions.


Martin

Thank you for everyone's response. Gofast, if you read all my posts in this thread you can see, that the mistery has been solved. The seeds I got from the nursery have been indeed Flying saucers. Just my picture didn't match, because where I planted them, an other one popped up, obvoiusly already in the ground waiting for spring.

My wholsale source is a since 70 year established nursery and I knew an can trust them regarding the authenticy of their seeds. They are not a fly-by liquidator.

I now changed the picture in my listings to the right Flying saucer picture, because the seeds I sell ARE Flying saucer.

What I also wanted to say is, that I am not very knowlegeable about Morning glories and all their different names . What I sell are only the common varieties, which I get from my nursery. Although I grow some Japanese MG's in my yard, I do not sell those, because they are all open pollinated.
For somebody with no experience it is very confusing, because many look almost alike although they are different varieties. The only mistake I made was to believe, where I planted the flying saucer, the flying saucer had grown, so I made a picture of them and attached it to my Flying saucer listing. I couldn't know that right on that same spot there was a volunteer popping up which looks almost like flying saucer, but was something else. I am thankful to Emmagrace for pointing my mistake out.

I'm so glad I stumbled upon this thread! I bought MG seeds off ebay this spring and got some beauties like the photo's above. Was very pleased to have something different on my fence this year. My DDMIL loved my MG's on the fence so every year I plant them in her honor. This year I put her favorite blue ones but add these also.

I've been growing MG's for over 4 decades and haven't encountered any wholesalers that knew how to accurately identify MG by the seeds or more importantly by the sepals...they all go by 'what they've been told'...

I've spoken with the botanists at the largest seed companies in the US and their lives would be forfeit if they had to accurately identify MG species...

Here is a thread where I shared some info on suppliers and accuracy
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/vines/msg080108379559.html?7

Here is a thread where I explored the Question of What is a Japanese Morning Glory
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/678457/

I would like to suggest that unless you are (in point of fact) very experienced and knowledgeable that you might consider refraining from a mini 'dissertation' on what it or what is not a genuine 'japanese morning glory'

Ron

I'm growing that same morning glory, purple flaked, and I get the purple, multi, and even almost all white ones.

I've been growing MG's for over 4 decades and haven't encountered any wholesalers that knew how to accurately identify MG by the seeds or more importantly by the sepals...they all go by 'what they've been told'

You obviously didn't read, what I wrote above. The seeds I bought are Tricolor and so are the Morning glories. It was my mistake to insert the wrong picture with my listings. My wholesaler is a nursery, they don't distribute, they grow themselves.

I would like to suggest that unless you are (in point of fact) very experienced and knowledgeable that you might consider refraining from a mini 'dissertation' on what it or what is not a genuine 'japanese morning glory'

Can you please show me where I said, that I know what is Japanese and what isn't? Why are you putting words in my mouth that I never said? All I wanted originally in this thread was to get an ID for the first post's picture.

I also said, that I am not knowledgeable about Japanese Morning Glories and I don't want to be. I am not interested in learning difficult Japanese words, just because I have a few pretty flowers in my yard. Sorry, but I cannot share your enthusiazm, or should I say obsession?
I am a simple gardener and love flowers, what I do not want is to get into a war with Japanese Morning Glory Fanatics.

Thank you for identification help and you all have a great day. I will not post here any more, and look in the future for some friendlier boards.

I'm sorry you didn't like my response, all I was saying is that I have a morning glory that looks the same.

Corrin

turtlegaby - Thank you for sharing your photos...


The post here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=5514232
is intended for any and all viewers and consists of me sharing from my experience and a suggestion based upon the complex nature of the subject of Morning Glories..


Regarding the paragraph here:

"I would like to suggest that unless you are (in point of fact) very experienced and knowledgeable that you might consider refraining from a mini 'dissertation' on what it or what is not a genuine 'japanese morning glory' "

The word 'you' is used in a general rhetorical sense to address anyone of the many viewers who may read the thread now or at any point in the future...it is not specifically directed at turtlegaby...

This is the Morning Glory Forum and therefore (as the title of the specific forum indicates) the categorical subject is frequently explored to a more indepth degree than in the more generalized threads since we are interested to clarify the differences in the species and in any named types...we do not denigrate a more generalized interest and likewise a devoted and avid interest to delve into,explore and hopefully to learn the relevant details of Morning Glories (or any other subject) is not due cause for an assignment of a 'malady'...

The majority of the participants here grow for the fun of it and any divergence of perspective is appreciated, although it may sometimes be the case that growing for monetary profit may lend towards an 'edgey' interpretation...


The degree to which you are interested in learning about Morning Glories as a non-monetary pursuit and / or to possibly "know your product" is entirely your own prerogative and your own personal working business perspective...

Best of Luck in your own pursuits as you see most befitting to your own interests...

Thank you once again for sharing photos and insight...

Best Regards,

Ron