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Noid bloom...help??
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Wow, nice flowers ! The color looks like H. davidcummingii.
And the leaves sorta like H. meliflua ssp. fraterna or even
H. kentiana a little. Hey, they even look like a larger and longer
H. davidcummingii now that I look more.
Sorry not to be of any real help though ^_^
Paula
To me, both flowers and leaves remind of H. inconspicua... Here's a photo of my plant: http://www.myhoyas.com/Hoya%20inconspicua%20hela.htm
Awanda,
That is a neat little flower. I think I got that plant as well, and I got it from a very knowledgible hoya grower. She has no ID for it. But I don't think its H. inconspicua. The leaves look very different to me. Nice job bloom it. And Christina, amazing plant! as always.
ric
I have a plant with leaves like that labeled H. salweenica that I got from Henne in Sweden in 03. However...it has never bloomed, so I have no clue what they would look like if it did. Sorry.
Marcy
I think Awanda went on MSN forum for ID...and it was (decided there) to be H. kentiana.
Hi everyone,
I meant to post these yesterday, but I've been really busy.
Here are two pics of my H.incospicua
here is the plant.
Lourdes
Edited to add: sorry the pics are blurry but my camera is very old (lol)
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Thanks Lourdes, the leaves on yours are different than mine. I'm thinking I have Kentania. Does your flowa have a scent? Mine smells a little like butterscotch to me.
Blessings,
Awanda
Hi Awanda,
I really don't know that much, I think kentiana is a bit bigger and the flower is more of a red color. My incospicua smells like butterscotch too. I've read that size and shape of leaves can change depending of the environment . Mine are indoors with AC or heater year long.
Here is a picture of my friend's kentiana
Your leaves look fatter and more round than mine, which are longer and not as wide.
Blessings,
Awanda
Yes, they look different, however I've read that the shape and size of the leaves aren't good indicators and that you have to compare the flowers. But I'm sure others know better than I.
Lourdes.
Awanda, I'm still not convinced your hoya is a H. kentiana, the coronas on your NOID have a lot more yellow. And the leaves just look different to me. It could be a hybrid???
Lourdes you're right about not comparing leaves, but even the flowas look different to me, oh well I'll just leave it labeled as "noid" for now. As the Hoya turns continues!
Ric you may be right, it could be a hybrid????
Blessings,
Awanda
Awanda: Nice plant! I love the foliage and the flowers on that one. I have one that was ID'd as kentiana but it looks a bit different than yours. Mine had dark edges on some of the leaves and more maroon colored flowers, no yellow. Your leaves look longer too. I will be curious to hear exactly what you have and whether mine is actually kentiana or something else. Mine is one of the Exotic Angel plants that are often mislabeled but this didn't even have a label when I bought it.
Here's a close up of the bloom on my H. kentiana?
And, the entire plant
I read somewhere that the difference between H. wayetti and H. kentiana, is that the peduncles in the wayetti are green, while those in the kentiana are brownish/pink.. If that's true, Lin yours is a wayetii.
I'd love to know if it's true.
I've learned that the Wayetti has the brown edges on the leaves...according to my plants Lin has the Wayetti.
Thanks so much you two! I just found these pic's at myhoyas.com site and my plant looks just like this one: http://www.myhoyas.com/Hoya%20wayetii%20min.htm I need to re-label my plant as wayettii. When it was ID'd as H. kentiana, I uploaded a couple of photo's to Plant Files. I guess I better have Admin. remove them. There is no listing for H. wayetti in PF.
Now I'm really confused. I've been googling and found one post on this forum that talks about kentiana and wayetti being the same plant: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/841186/
So, the regular kentiana has solid green leaves and kentiana wayetti has the dark edging on the foliage? Is wayetti a cultivar of kentiana? Should it be labeled H. kentiana wayetti?
I really don't know Lin, but I assume that if the peduncles have a different color then there must be two plants.
It seams to me, that the kentiana leaves are a bit smaller, thiner and rounder than those on the wayetti, but I might be wrong.
I have a "kentiana" from Exotic Angel plants, so I think I'll change the label too.
I think the leaves get a dark margin from sunlight orbright light. Hard to tell. Some say one is a subspecies of the other. Leaf size has nothing to do with IDing...shape can but only if the majority of the leaves are 'that' way....it is the flower...and while flower color is not an indication (usually the corolla), the corona if it is yellow is yellow...not red sometimes. There are some VERY close up photos of H. kentiana/weyettii here http://www.bigislandgrowers.com/AHcomp/AHwayt1.php Awanda...should be big enough for you to compare size and shape of the corona lobes.....
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Lin, I agree with what most have said, your plant looks like wayetii. Kentiana is a different species, but they look a LOT alike- the leaves are the easiest way to tell. Wayetii's are usually thicker, more curved, and have that distinctive maroon edge. Flowers are a little different too.
Here's a picture of kentiana:
http://members.tripod.com/khedlund/hoyapdl/kent.html
Thanks everyone ... I will label mine H. wayetii.
Ok. Now I'm confused. The leaves on my kentiana had no dark edge until I moved it. It now gets more morning sun. Is this plant not kentiana, but wayettii? Right now the edges of the leaves have that dark margin.
I see alot of different flowers here. Awanda's flower has very different coronas...different color etc. - Imadigger, your coronas are different too. Man...I am confused. I don't think Awanda's hoya is weyettii or kentiana.
I think Awanda's plant looks exactly like MyHoyas H. incuspicua: http://www.myhoyas.com/Hoya%20inconspicua%20min.htm The leaves look a lot longer and shaped a bit differently than kentiana.
Eileen: My plant is identical to yours, and mine didn't have the dark edges on the leaves until I moved it to more sunlight. Is yours an Exotic Angel plant? I find their plants are always mis labeled! I have one that is labeled Hoya Bilobata and underneath that says Hoya tsangii. It looks just like ds-70's to me. I will wait to see it bloom to be certain. It sure is a shame that so many are misidentified. But, we can always come here to this forum to get a lot of different and more expert eyes helping to properly ID our plants! Y'all are really wonderful and I sure appreciate all the help you've given me with helping to identify my plants!
I know mine isn't weyettii. Here's a picture of mine (weyettii) and it has the dark edges and the leaves are thicker than what I posted above.
Blessings,
Awanda
Lynn, my plant is an EA plant.
Awanda, your leaves look a little wider and shorter than mine.
So much confusion for just one little plant. My, oh my, oh my.^_^
Imadigger...wider and shorter aren't really good markers for a different species...it is really the flower when it comes to close calls like that.
I want to show you the difference in the leaves. It's the same plant, I moved it out in June. The first picture is how it looks growing inside .
This is how it looks now. So I guess it's true that the shape and size of the leaves aren't good indicators.
This is way confusing. Can anyone tell me if the commonly referred to "stringbean hoya" is any of these? Mine flowered for about two months, with the most wonderful perfume, and the flowers started out as pale pink/mauve when closed, and opened to a pale mauve and cream. Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I am learning SO much from you guys about my passion-plant, Hoya et al.
I think the Stringbean Hoya is a common name for H. shepherdii: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/57795/
lourdes, your plant looks like lacunosa.
Yes, thank you. It is a lacunosa, I posted the pictures to show how the leaves are not always a good indicator to make an ID, since they change a lot depending on the growing conditions.
Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself
Lourdes =)
OH..you did a good job Lourdes...I think we all got it!!
I've read that the difference in terms of blooms/umbels between kentiana and wayetii are the pedicel colors. H. wayetii supposedly has green pedicels, while H. kentiana supposedly has pinkish pedicels.
Hope that helps :)
Gabi
Thanks Gabi, I will have to look at mine closely tomorrow in the daylight!
Lourdes, that was a good illustration with the H. lacunosa photos. Most Hoya seem to develop a lot bigger, thinner leaves when grown in homes that are drier and cooler than the greenhouses they were raised in. I got a H. lacunosa from Langkawi island a few years ago- the leaves were none of them bigger than half an inch. The new leaves it has made are just over an inch, and about twice as wide, too.
With kentiana and wayetii, if you grow them in the same conditions you will see the differences in the leaves, wayetii will always have thicker leaves than kentiana, that are more curved. There is almost always the darker margin, but maybe not in very low light conditions.
To tell you the truth, this is really a confusing bunch. There are these two, and then inconspicua, halophila, sp. aff. pubifera, sp. aff. angustifolia (or are those two the same?) that I think all look really similar, and then sp. DS-70 and H. burtoniae are also kind of similar to these, though the leaves are a lot different and the flowers are smaller.
Maybe someone who has them all (or most of them) could make a photo montage of the leaves and flowers, all grown in the same conditions? That would be helpful...
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