Does anyone have this on the Top

This is one of my AV that I started and I notice that on the top its real tight like a fist and I have a couple of others any one now why that happens?

Here is one more picture This one is called Red Robe

I am not a plant doctor but that tell me you have cyclamen mites and maybe even thrips...........yikes................get them away immediately from your other plants. Let's google for more information

********edited to say I hope someone didn't send you the little critters in new plants.......
http://www.steverd.com/violets/mites.htm

This message was edited Jun 10, 2008 9:21 PM

I had that on mine and have lost all of them. I don't know where mine came from but all the AVs are gone and I am to sad to get any more.

I was reading some wear that when you spray for bugs the same thing happen I only have 4 like that and they were in different places I look for any thing that moves but didn't find a thing I put the 4 together and see what happen I thing that it also can come from to much lite I will have to look and see where I fond that. I am not going to think the worst yet. Thank for the help
Dimmer

Dimmer, time is of the essence and you really need to spray at a week's interval with avid for 3 or 4 weeks in a row. You are going to quickly lose everything. I hate to scare you but you need Avid and need it now.

Dimmer,Gail may very well be right..I have never suffered from mites so I haven't a clue how to help you with them....sorry...A few questions though...How far do you have your av's from the lights on your stands? also how many hours do you have the lights on a day? also has it been pretty warm where you keep them?..av's don't like it too warm..just a few ideas..It might very well be mites but looking at them it also looks like they could have been getting too much light...to be on the safe side you might want to treat them as Gail suggested.......Good Luck!

http://www.steverd.com/violets/leaves/leaf-id.htm Check out Leaf#27 this is wear I found this
Thanks Gail and Diane

I think that if I did have those Pest I would have them all over and notice that alot more plants are going Hay wire or even my housplant those were the only 4
I do keep them on a low heat mat and I do leave the lite on so I am going to try and turn off heat mat and raise the lite
Thanks Nancy
Kim

why would you have a heating mat under any plants?

I don't know why Kim has her on heat mats but until May I grew all my cuttings and young plants on heat mats... I know what everyone is going to say that AV's don't like heat but for me they loved it and I have some really pretty plants now.
Kim sorry I don't have a clue what that is but if you need Avid and I can find my second bottle I will send to you ... I will look tomorrow after work...
Hugsl
Susan

YOu are a good friend, Susan. Our local president took my second bottle and I don't dare part with my one and only bottle.

I would give anything to Kim that I had... Good friends do that... I am more then likely going to buy the big tub of marathon... I need to have it for when I need to use... So they don't sell the avid anymore either...?
Hugs,
Susan

Cape Cod violetry has a lot of supplies but I can't remember what............they don't have an online catalog but you can email them and they will send you a PDF catalog.............

Kim, I don't know for certain, but that really looks like many of the pictures I've seen of mite damage. It appears too severe to be too much heat or light. You said you looked and didn't see anything move, but mites are incredibly tiny, and there is quite a bit of debate about whether you can see them with the naked eye at all. Do you have a jeweler's loupe, or even a magnifying glass? You'd be able to see them with a jeweler's loupe, and a magnifying glass would at least be better than just your eyes.

If they were mine, I'd be highly suspicious of them and would probably assume the worst - mites - and would throw away any plants that looked like that. If you can find some Avid, that would be great, but you still need to isolate any plants that look like that and you'll need to be very diligent with the treatments. Probably would be a good idea to treat all your plants, since those have been mixed in with them.

Good luck and I hope you can get the problem solved and not lose too many plants.

I have the Magnifying Glass that was how I was looking I have them seperated from my plants. But the 4 were in different spots I had used spray Housplant and I am thinking that to much spray got on them . I will get that Avid Sunday as I am so beat after 10 hours in the Sun and On my feet I just can't wait to get home and take off my steel Toe Boots
Thanks Guy for all the care that you have given to my plants and the help
Hugg;s Kim

It is very warm working outside all day isn't it?

I don't want to scare you, Dimmer, but I do hope you isolated those plants far away from your others. Cyclamen mites don't waste any time in jumping to all your avs and gessies.

I can't imagine having to wear steel toed boots.........let alone being in the sun all day. We are thinking about you!

Just adding my two cents here too Kim. I hate to agree about the mites but it sure looks like mite damage to me too. I had the same problem last fall and lost many plants because I didn't move the affected ones right away. You should move the ones affected to a different location but I think you need to treat every single plant you have, just in case. From everything I've read the cyclamen mites are so tiny they are not visible with even a regular magnifying glass ... you need a special one to be able to see them. Those critters can totally destroy a plant collection very quickly!

Thanks for posting that link about AV leaf problems. That is really a wonderful visual aid in spotting problems with AV's! I printed it out for my file! That leaf # 27 and your first photo look exactly like my plants that all had the mite problem!

I think I have learned my lesson ... I wish I had taken the advice of a few folks here long ago, about isolating ANY new plant material that comes into the house to make sure it has no bugs or disease before putting it on my plant stands with other plants.

I have learned my lesson also about plants I get... What ticked me off is I got mine from a nursery... I was hopping mad... I told them a thing or to... LOL
Any plant that walks into my house gets the marathon put in it no ands ifs or buts...
Hugs,
Susan

Kim, I'm really concerned that you do have cyclamen mites. I looked up some pictures of AVs that were damaged by cyclamen mites. Look at these pictures and see what you think.

http://ipm.ncsu.edu/photogallery/cycm2.jpg
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/insect/INSIMG/05595F06.jpg
http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/images/M1183-16.jpg
http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/images/Pests/Pest619.jpg
http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/images/Pests/Pest396.jpg
http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/images/Pests/Pest397.jpg

Edited for spelling.

This message was edited Jun 13, 2008 3:51 PM

Susan, just so you know............marathon is great to use even as a preventative for mealy bugs or to treat mealy bugs, but what Dimmer has is much much more serious and needs to be treated (several days ago) with Avid and I would throw away any plant that even shows one brittle leaf in the center.............and then treat every plant in the house.

I have had to sit on the front porch outside (because Avid is serious stuff) with my gloves on and spray from every angle every plant from inside with a mix of AVid.........takes hours but is the only way to treat cyclamen mites.

Then I went back at weekly intervals for 3 weeks and did the same process again.

Thanks Gail, I know as my passion flowers had them in the winter... When Kim came here everything in the house had to go outside to get sprayed. My lungs killed me from it...
Hugs,
Susan Thanks ^_^

Those sprays are wicked strong aren't they!

I have to admit this one was not as strong as others I had used before.... I am going to post a picture of my Roulette Azur...
Be right back..LOL
Hugs,
Susan

Well Yesterday I dunked my AN 's in water speat with Garden Safe spray and Cheked both sides of my plants I also check out the Bugs with a M GLass Nothing they are seperated I am thinking ( OH NO) that its was from the lite heat and the spray I have New leaves tiny tiny ones comming up But I will keep a very close eye on them and keep checking the One was I started from a leave I had the bloomes bebore all the leave last year so that is why I don't want to toss yet
Dimmer

So Kim I am confused and as you know that is not hard to do..LOL Where there bugs or no bugs? I can't find my second bottle of Avid but I will keep looking for you and send out on Monday if I find it... I have two AV books and one is mostly on just AV's but the other covers all the family and the one did say that tight crowns and twisted new leaves most of the time is bugs. But I can't see it so I don't know....
Love ya,
Susan

Kim, I really think your problem is cyclamen mites. I don't think heat will cause deformed, tight, hard crowns and leaves ... that is a sure sign of mite infestation.

Mites are very hard to see even with a magnifying loop. I hope you treat all of your plants because chances are you will have the same problem with any and all plants that were in the same area as that AV. Mites can wreak havok on a plant collection and they are very hard to get rid of. Believe me, I know ... I lost many plants last fall because of what I am sure was mites. Did you check the label on what you dunked your plants in to see if cyclamen mites is listed as one of the bugs it kills?

Good luck with getting rid of the critters and keep us posted on how your plants are doing.

Thanks Ladys I think that I will just throw all out the 4 other than that none of my plants have anything like that I used the magnifying and looked up the bugs and found Nothing on them But to be on the safe side they our out
Thanks Kim

Kim,

Maybe you don't need to throw them out ... just get them out of the room where your other plants are and see if you can totally get rid of the bugs. I had to throw all of mine out because they all ended up with mites.

Kim..I definitely would listen to the advise of Lin,Gail,Rain,Susan,Makshi and everyone here who has experience with dealing with those critters..I don't think I would want to take the chance of losing all of my plants to those things...much better to be safe than sorry..those pictures that Rain linked to scared the dickens out of me..lol..I would totally be freaked out if I even had a thought of any of my plants having those..I think I would spray everything plant I have....

What other plants do I need to worry about? I have already lost all of the AVs and I don't want to lose anything else. Kim I am so sad for you.

Makshi, I was told (I had cyclamen mites one time) to spray 3 weeks in a row and spray every plant in the house. The first spray I took them outside and turned them every which direction and sprayed with Avid. The next two weeks I just left them on the shelf and sprayed real good but didn't turn the plants around or anything on the 2nd and 3rd spray........each a week apart.

Thanks Diane
Let me see what happen I am grow more AV so when I get them big than I can send you some if you want it won't be till maybe Fall
Kim

I have some plants that I can share. I have several that are rooted and would be happy to send them. I'm not sure all of them are named. Elaine.

makshi;
are you looking for av's?
bonnie

I may get some a little later as soon as I make sure I have all of the area cleaned where I had them before. Thanks all.

Help-
I also have this problem...I didn't know what was wrong with some of my plants until I saw this thread. My worst looking plants we're new ones I bought from a person on ebay last spring. It had to have come from him.I kept thinking it was light problems etc. also. Yesterday I threw all of those out, I am really sick about it, all of that money , so in all so far I've tossed about 12 plants.
Didn't want to throw out my babies, or prized space babies. Went to the nursery and everything they had was neem oil, which I've used in the past and obviously it didn't work. Saw some bayer 3 in 1, said it kills mites, but it did not say which ones. My husband and I dragged out all of my plants including my orchids and sprayed everything. The price of Avid is outrageous, I don't know if I can justify spending all of that money, does anyone have a good source for it, with a cheaper price than 100.00 bucks?? What should I clean the area with where they are sitting? bleach?
Jill

You can order small amounts of Avid from Cape Cod Violetry..............let me find their catalog............just call them and they will send it out...........this has happened to all of us. It is just that I inspect all the time and the minute I see something, I treat it.............3 weeks in a row...........and spray everything.

I use Bayers Advanced Tree and Shrub on all my outside plants but I have heard never use it on gesneriads?????????????

It wouldn't let my open the PDF catalog but here are their emails.........just call them and ask them for the avid if you don't want to wait for them to send you by email the catalog.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=5349992

I don't know how that happened..........let me give it to you again........
The phone number is 508 993 2386
emails are:
ccviolets@msn.com
violets@cape.com