Ron - What's this fuzzy stuff?

Summerville, SC(Zone 8a)

My Hanahubuki bloomed .. when I did a cut view I noticed this fuzzy stuff at the base of the reproductive parts .. they are much thicker than what you see on the leaves and stems. In looking back at other pictures of cut views, I seed a few hairy bits but not as thick as the hana. Are these by any chance modified EFN's?

X

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Summerville, SC(Zone 8a)

The flower .. doesn't really look like OhioBreezy's hana .. can someone confirm mine is a Hanahubuki? I don't want to offer it to plant files until I'm sure.

X

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(Ronnie), PA(Zone 6b)

Hey X. check out this link and see if you think yours looks like it... it's down about the middle of the page

http://lionnet.fc2web.com/JMG/MGsell2.html

Summerville, SC(Zone 8a)

The color is right, mine has the flecks but not the streaks .. I'll wait til another one opens to see if the streaking is more prominent.

X

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

With mine the streaking got more prominent as the plant had more blooms.

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

X - Your photos are excellent as usual!!! Neat first photo and close up of the fine hairs. I am interested to read what Ron has to say as well. Pretty blooms! :-) It looks like Hanahubuki to me, but it may also be something else that is similar. Do post more photos as this vines continues to grow and bloom! :-)

Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b)

Extra Floral Nectaries ( EFN ) are currently being viewed as interior and exterior as more types of nectar secreting locations are identified on both the interior and exterior areas of the flower ...

The nectar hairs at the base of the stamens are often coated with nectar...

The nectar hairs provide a partial protective function via access blockage / protection to the ovary located below the hairs that project horizontally from the basal area of the stamens...


I personally would not be willing to assign a particular cultivar status to the flower posted...certainly not at this point based upon what is being displayed...


There are cultivars (particularly the various blizzards) that may often produce flowers (at various stages and within various filial generations ) that are virtually indistinguishable from other blizzards...it is only when certain characteristic features that are particular to a specific cultivar manifest that something closer to a 'definitive' identity can be ascertained...


There are many overlapping features in the various blizzards and until and unless the features that are peculiar to a given cultivar name are defined and consistently selected for, there will consequently continue to be a blurring of overlapping features that are indistinguishable from 'generalized' blizzard patterns and colors...
this is a 'formidable' task but it must start (and ideally better sooner than later) or else the 'cultivar names that are being designated to many of the different blizzards will be increasingly rendered virtually meaningless ...

The seed packet pictorials have historically been shown to be variously blatantly misleading and / or otherwise unreliable and although packet pictorials may be helpful as a rough guide > they cannot be relied upon to provide a definitive accurate portrayal as to what characteristics the named type will actually produce and / or with any valuable consistently...

My previous attempts to initiate a consistent differentiation between the different blizzard types has in the past been received with a combination of cavalier indifference and / or virtual 'scorn' (because most people 'just want to share pretty flowers' )...
and just sharing pretty flowers is definitely totally wonderful as everyone most certainly may enjoy the forums / galleries sharing whatever they have to share in their own way...
but (!), unless enough of a population of at least some people are willing to invest the time and effort to determine what the various actual and / or suppossed characteristics of the named types are, in a logical methodical manner there will continue the perpetuation of a virtual 'flighty chaos' that contributes meaninglessness to cultivar names instead of the requisite clarity ...

The Question is:

What particular display and / or arrangement of characteristics does a certain named cultivar possess that are relatively unique to distinguish it from other (sometimes very) similar named cultivars...(?!)...this question is of the essence and must be determined if the names which supposedly designate definite different named cultivars are going to reflect realistic differences or to increasingly add to superficially redundant fuzzy duplication...

Hope my reply may provoke processes that contribute longer term benefits to the MG community...

TTY,...

Ron

Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b)

My experience hand pollinating these named cultivars from Japan has shown some breed true from seeds and some simply don`t because they are the result of crosses and selections where the resulting flower does not always have a pair of genes for each particular trait or the flower carries recessives that crop up later.

X, your flower may have indeed been a seed taken form a Hannahabuki but if it was a open pollinated it may have inherited a gene to dilute the color or perhaps Even if it was a selfed seed it is possible your flower has inherited the weak blizzard that is sometimes paired with a stronger blizzard to get a desired look. This results in a situation where some of the flowers have the set of characteristics advertised on the packet and others have simply inherited a weaker blizzard that manifests in a more subtle pattern.

Your flower favors the first flowers on the Miko No Mai. Wait and watch and see if the white comes in striped and the blizzard gets more visible as time goes on.

Karen

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