I.Muelleri or not Muelleri

Hi All from the land down under,

This is the plant that I tried to id earlier, it was tentatively ided as muelleri, as it is not a twiner, I am wondering what it is.Some more pics to aid with iding.

TIA

Annette

It is a groundcover.

The Foliage.

Another shot of the foliage.

My wild guess is shrub morning glory or ipomoea carnea. Karen

Sent you a D-mail..

It is not muelleri, but hopefully you can id it with the link I sent.

Great job getting those photos.

edited to say: the links did not work... but that leaf sure does look like a milkweed leaf, I've seen something like it before, but don't know where.

This message was edited Apr 30, 2008 3:45 PM

Annette - Now you've peaked my curiosity! Is it growing in a bog area? I am hoping someone here can ID this ground cover for you!

You should post your photos in a new thread on the Plant Identification forum (and be sure to let us know what you find out):
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/plantid/all/

This message was edited Apr 30, 2008 9:28 PM

No it is growing in a garden, definately not bog, just a normal yard,

Yes I will post on the plant id forum, will let you all know:)

Annette

Definitely an Ipomoea,an Australasian native despite the trailing form and slightly different leaves...

The seed may be shaped like Ipomoea muelleri and may have a hairy or fuzzy covering...

Time will definitely tell...

Place your bets(!)...

TTY,...

Ron

P.S. - I forgot to add in the amusingly facetious but (nonetheless) popular disclaimer and that is 'I need to be brave' (aka please step into my parlour said the spider to the flies...) >and(!) best wear big boots due to unusual epidemics of flying mad cows...






This message was edited May 3, 2008 5:18 AM

I dont want to bet against you Ron lol, you know what you are talking about:)

"The Time has come",the Walrus said
"To Talk of Many Things
Of Shoes,and Ships,and Sealing Wax,
Of Cabbages and Kings,
And Why the Sea is Boiling Hot.
And Whether Pigs Have Wings"

~my favorite poem~

It is ok to guess wrong if one is learning.

If my guess is wrong then I will have learned something.

When the right answer is found then learning takes place.

I think observing and noticing characteristics and identifying plants is learned and not something a person is born with. Wrong guesses can be a learning experience if the student has the right attitude and refuses to judge ones self negatively based on how much is known so far. Over time it is possible to collect knowledge and I have found my hobby becomes more enjoyable if I continue to see this as learning. I will never stop learning. :)

Karen

It is Ipomoea, but that leaf is so familiar looking.. even the ipomoea air potato I have growing looks a little like it.. I bet it has a nice size tuber down there. Annette, go check and see if there is a potato..

Good idea. :)

Too bad we aren`t vacationing in
Australia. At least if you see a poisonous spider you can throw a potato at it. He he!!!

Karen

if i was to comment i i would say water spinach or ipomea aquatica but on land as it can grow on land too it just needs regular watering.

it really does look similar as in the leaves and the flower color. picture of a close up on wikipedia.

Yes, the wikipedia picture does favor it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipomoea_aquatica

It grows low to the ground like that too. Karen

That looks like a great match, I think the seeds will tell the story to confirm.

When I saw it, I immediately thought of Ipomoea aquatica which is why I asked where it was growing. It just looks like a bog plant to me!

I have seeds for Ipomoea aquatica and think I shall start some this weekend. After seeing yours, I am very interested in growing them! Thanks for sharing your mystery plant with us! I love a good challenge for an ID for a plant! :-)

Yes i always wondered what the aquatica looked like firsthand and now I know, the seeds site that sells them in Oz only had a pic of the plant with white flowers and because I am new to mg's it didnt occur to me that they may come in different colours of the pic maybe wrong, still feeling my way.

Many Thanks to one and to all,

Annette

now i want seeds. hehe since it can grow on land and wikipedia does say it does so. off to look on ebay.

It is growing wild on land in my pics, very happy as you can see, Happy seed hunting.
A.

There's a photo that beth has posted somewhere here on DG for aquatica.. the leaves too in one of her posts from last year. She may have posted the photos also in the plants database here. If it is that, it is edible.

The seeds I got came from Beth. I think her blooms were white. It may be a different variety or cultivar, but the leaves look very similiar!

I also agree
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/841771/

There are are many different strains of Ipomoea aquatica but the 2 main types of Ipomoea aquatica:

1) The dryland/upland type which is the wilder type that originated in the central mountains of China...it has more red/purple pigmentation in the plant with some plants having stems,leaves and flowers that are reddish/purple...it will grow in well watered land and often upright or semi-upright in form...it is more cold hardy and a more fibrous plant as compared to the lowland/wetland types that grow further south and in the valleys...

2) The wetland/lowland types usually have no reddish pigment to the stems or leaves and with only a little red in the often all white flowers...this type will produce hollow stems that will float on the surface of nearby water...

The strains of Ipomoea aquatica that are closest to the original all reddish wild types often have seeds with fuzzy coverings accentuated by long cobwebby strands similar to some strains of Ipomoea wrightii...
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/91989/

The plant that you have seems to have no pigmentation on the stems or leaves but still has some nice color pigmentation in the corolla...

Nice find(!)...

TTY,...

Ron

P.S. - I'm still looking for the strains that are completely red,i.e., stems,leaves and flowers...keep honing your hunting skills...(!)

(psst...Ron...who wrote the walrus poem, your favorite?)

side trip for Joseph...


author was a man named Charles Lutwidge Dodgson
taught mathematics at Oxford University in the Victorian period and
authored books (using his real name and his chosen pen-name / pseudonym of Lewis Carroll ) on advanced mathematics and logic,but choose to hide his most advanced mathematical formulas relating to anti-matter and pre-quantum physics in the form of mathematical puzzles buried in his 'light' hearted 'juvenile' literary writings...


The poem is a portion of
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum
chapter 4 of "...and What She Found There"


The Walrus and the Carpenter
http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/walrus.html


further references

I highly recommend the audio version as recorded by Donovan in 1971 on the HMS album
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Donovan-HMS_Donovan.jpg

The Annotated Alice - in PDF format
http://file009.mylivepage.com/chunk9/2000/8/ALICE.pdf?3649360569

Wasp in a Wig
http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited May 3, 2008 8:30 PM

Awesome, thanks, Ron!

This is the aquatica I grew, the lowland/wetland type. It survived the winter indoors and is springing back to life.

Beth - That is beautiful! Thank you again for sharing seeds with me. How do you grow it? Is it a bog vine or a pond vine? Also, is it a perennial?

I think it is perennial as long as it doesn't freeze. I had mine in the back room all winter and it lost its leaves and went dormant, but now is starting to sprout leaves again.

I grow mine in a 5gal pot submurged a larger container (plastic tote) filled with water.

Thanks Beth! How do you start seeds? Do you just plant them in the pot and submerge it? Or does it need to be above water to germinate?

I sprouted the seeds in a little peat pot that I just kept moist. So they will sprout in soil.

Here is an ebay link to a seller in Singapore


http://cgi.ebay.com/400-Seeds-of-WATER-CONVOLVULUS-Kang-Kong-vegetable_W0QQitemZ200221778136QQihZ010QQcategoryZ1512QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hmm want seeds but outside the usa and me dont work. seems to get confiscated in flordia alot

When I ordered from Singapore, mine got through just fine...but there are no guarantees. That's why the low cost of these seeds might be attractive. You aren't risking that much.