tabasco, just read that link about the persons finger amputation from gardening ~ yikes...
It is good for all of us to be reminded that microorganisms can be found in the soil, but I'm afraid I'm learning in a present microbiology class that they are EVERYWHERE too! Every door you touch, every hand you shake, on our skin, everywhere. Our bodies natural immune system is constantly warding off the bad guys, my professor keeps reminding us, the majority of microorganisms are good ~ good for us, the environment and are a part of all life.
We should always be careful with open cuts and to never garden with 'knowing' open breaks in the skin ~ in that persons case, something deep under the fingernail, they probably didn't know they even had a skin opening.
At the present time my brother-in-law is in a similar situation. He has been on an IV drip and a double combination of antibiotics for the past few months for an infection he has in a finger. He got his from a cut while working with a chain saw, it penetrated the bone.
Wearing gardening gloves is a good idea, but for me, I love getting my hands in the dirt :) I do wear gloves for certain tasks and always wear gloves if wearing a band-aide over cuts.
Off topic ~ gloves should also be worn when food handling if you have open skin breaks. When I was in culinary school, I got cuts all the time ...then thrown a pair of gloves :)
here is a bit of soil microorganism history some of you may find of interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selman_Waksman
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I think the gloves came out to be 2.77 each with about .75 to .97 c to ship. I don't know if that's one pair or more for shipping. The ones I ordered cost 19.99 with shipping so it's pretty close. (Of course I had to go see how much of a deal I was missing out on.) The co-op would be better if you don't want four pairs, I probably wouldn't have ordered 4 if that wasn't the only option to not pay $7.95 without shipping - like from gardeners supply.
I need to decide exactly how many pairs of gloves I need and just order them from Amazon. Coops can take too long and I might need them soon.
I'm not sure how many people have ordered those Zinc garden markers, but one of the most famous places cut their with sharp corners, not the rounded ones that Eon Industries has. EVERY time I'd go in with my hands to weed or pull out dead stuff or whatever, I would scratch my hands. It used to drive me crazy.
I try to be careful about it, but I am really pretty bad. The gloves will be welcome here!
Wind, Loved the article. His book on Humus is online:
Humus: origin, chemical composition, and importance in nature
http://chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=2828925
Was this the chatter regarding those green houses? I've forgotten and in too much of a hurry [cuz dinners cooking]
but just got the HOBO flier today... they have 2 greenhouses,,, one was i think 30 the other $50.
I know gloves are a good idea, but I just can't do anything with them on. I've tried all kinds. I do wear them if I'm weeding a whole flower bed, or putting out fertilizer, but other than that,...No.
I may pay a price for that, one day.
I usually get as much dirt down my gloves, as I do on top of them, anyway. lol : ) If I have a cut, or something, I usually have it wrapped up pretty good to keep it clean, and change it if it gets wet or too dirty.
Just call me crazy. No Gloves : ) ~Lucy
Illoquin, check out the link for the gloves on the co-op thread. They also have free shipping on a box of 12 pairs, mixed colors (3 pairs of each color). And if you enter a coupon code "gcmember" you get an extra 10% off. That brings them to about $3 per pair.
Oh man! Could ya stop rubbin it in about the gloves ;)
LOL ... just killin' ya huh Meredith?
Yes I wish I knew about that deal critter posted - it would have been the way to go!
LOL Well, thanks for the links about the gloves. I'm going to get me a drawer full! I've had this nasty cut for a month and I sure don't want to experience anything worse! I always wear a hat, too. And usually sunglasses: my DH just went to the eye doc and found out he has cataracts. They said probably from not protecting his eyes from the sun. He was appalled.
Well, what a relief that I'm not last off the starting line for tender annuals. I moved a number of my seedlings to my front door windows and I've been popping them outside when the sun comes out in mid afternoon. Now I have lots of room under the lights for more trays. After reading your posts, though, Illoquin, I suppose it's still too early for the tomatoes and salvias to go out...
Illoquin, thanks for your seed starting/hardening off time line. It's so good to see the timing on various types of plants compiled into the same essay. I will make a 'tab' for that post.
Yes, Specialty Perennials is giving me a heart attack with their delay! I called Harvey late this afternoon and left a message. Will call again tomorrow. He has probably read all of my whiney posts here and is being passive-aggressive with me!
T, How do you make a tab ?
maybe she means a "tag" rather than a "tab"? Tags have replaced the old system of "favorites"... there are threads on the DG forum to explain them... you add a tag to a thread or a post by clicking on the gold box icon at the upper right corner of the page. You can view Tagged Pages under the "Communities" tab.
Critter, Quick Question:
I got some moisture crystals for the coop 2007, made them smaller in a coffeegrinder, and have them in a jar. When fully hydrated they are about the size of Cream of wheat or small tapioca.
How much should I use in a medium size turkey roaster full of soil?
Is this something you could guesstimate for me?
I can't tell they are there when I add them in.
On the gloves, they may only be $3.00 a pair, but I still don't need a dozen. I need about 4 or 6 pairs. I can get them from Amazon, pay shipping and although they are more money per pair, the cost overall is well below. :)
TCS, I don't remember if this was the thread or not, but I think we are all following that thread, wherever it is - what is the differece between the 2?
Suzy
Hmmm, I think, being that small, I would take my pan and pour about HALF of what it would take to cover the bottom of the pan in 1 layer. Then I would put my soil in and mix it up. Don't put too much soil in till you see how much they are gonna swell.
Does that make sense?
I love getting my hands dirty too but every time I go in the house I wash them real good and use a nail brush I'm in the habit from using that nail brush from years ago. The birds scare me I find bird droppings in the plants all of the time but then I have a lot of birds around they steal my seedlings if I'm not careful when I take them out in the spring or I'll find them on the ground not far from the pot sometimes I use the wirly gigs to try and keep them away but it doesn't help :) I have long fingernails and yes they are mine :) That's why I use the nail brush all of the time and can't use gloves because my nails go straight thru a pair of gloves after wearing them for five minutes lol That's the playtex gloves I can't use the cloth ones I can't do anything with them on they just make my job harder :) So no gloves for me either :)
It's getting down to 30 here tonite and it's always colder in the country so I took a sheet outside and put around the bottom of my little greenhouse so the air couldn't get in, it's 50 in there right now and it's 40 outside.
Meredith, my rue just did turn brown a week or so ago, I wonder if we need to cut those back do you know? I just love that plant I'm getting ready to WS some more, the foliage is so cool!
Thanks for wishing my girfriend well but don't think it's going to happen she has hardening of the lungs too so it might be that instead of cancer, they show the same on a xray, she has to wait on the test before she knows for sure she went to a specialist but she hasn't long for this world either way but she is a fighter I think that's the only reason she has lasted this long she can't even breath in the air in the house in the summer time.
I've been busy all day and trying to get caught up on here LOL
Lea, that is one of the reasons I don't wear gloves, also. Long fingernails.
Hate to hear that about your girlfriend. That's always tough to deal with. : ( Here's a Hug. {{{{Lea}}}}
>>TCS, I don't remember if this was the thread or not, but I think we are all following that thread, wherever it is - what is the differece between the 2?
Suzy -- i have to go fish it out of the recycle bin.
as for the gloves ... i'd get 4-6 pr, half for home, half for Wisc.
as for the long nails... i'll just trim mine down - because they will end up braking if i leave them long.
but i'd rather wear the gloves because getting all that dirt and mud out from under my nails is a worse job.
HOBO Ad on Indoor/Outdoor Greenhouses
$29.99 ... 4'2"H x 2'3"W x 19.25"D ... has 3 shelves
$49.99 ... 6'5"H x 4'7"W x 2'4" D .... walk-in
Ah -- actually found it on line.... pdf file
http://www.hoboonline.com/weekly/hoboweekly.pdf
its on the first page.
Oh, I thought you wanted the greenhouse...you were saying you saw it if somebody else wanted it, right?
Lucy, Thanks. I went down and added some more. For some reason I thought a teaspoon would be enough, but I can't remember where i read that. Do you use the large size in Florida? For plants in the ground or for pots?
Lea, or Meredith, Find out about that Rue, will ya? Mine turned brown in February and it's not all the way brown. I have no idea what to do with it. I bought 3 big plants on clearance for $1.00 each last year and had no idea they were perennial until I came home and looked them up. There was nothing wrong with them, not sickly or dying of thirst or anything...they just had too many. I love the foliage!
Suzy
Suzy, I sometimes use them in the ground if an area is too dry. I have some small elephant leaf plants out under a tree, that always need extra water, the bigger crystals seem to help that area.
I have a whole large baggie of them left, I need to start using them more, in some of my pots. Alittle goes a long way in a pot.
My nails are hard they don't break easily, I've always said they were a curse lol When you do dishes or take a shower they come clean the rest of the way if you can't get all of the dirt out when you brush them :) Mine are like the fake nails that's how hard they are.
Thanks for that hug Lucy Hugs ((Hugs)) back :) And Meredith you may need a hug too ((Hugs)) Wasn't that nice :)
Suzy so can I put my nemesia out how cold do you think they can get? They like cooler weather right? I'm putting my hardy geraniums out too in a couple more days when it won't be so cold at night, I think tonite is the last colder night for a while I listen to the weather all of the time then when I want to put something out or want to know how cold it's gonna be I forget LOL I still think we have some colder weather coming but it shouldn't stick around for that long I hope lol
I can't believe I found the rue in my book I didn't think I would lol
Z4-9 1-3' high 2' wide full sun flowering july-august
Pruning: Common rue is actually a woody subshrub that may need to be sheared back to 6-8" in the early spring to maintain a full form. Do not do any hard pruning in late summer or plants may not harden in time for the winter. Plants can be grown exclusively for foliat effect, in which case the flowers are best sheared off when in bud. If flowering is permitted, shear off deadheads and shape plants before sed formation, or the foliage may yellow and decline due to energy expended toward seed production. Wear gloves and long sleeves when pruning rue, as some individuals may develop a skin irritation upon contact, which can be accelerated by hot, sunny weather.
Other maintenance: Well-draining soil is essential for survival. Tolerates heat and drought. Can be short-lived. Mulch in northern gardens for the winter. Seldom needs division.
So I guess we cut them to about 6-8", I think I will let one of mine bloom this year just to see what they look like, and I have a small one coming up by one of the ones I planted last year too, it started coming up last summer there was only one in the pot when I planted it and this one is a few inches away from the plant might have been another seed in there somewhere I guess when I planted it lol This is a cool plant! I got cats on mine last year too at the end of the summer it was too cold for them to become a butterfly :(
Hey! Thanks< Lea!! I guess the question is: do we cut back now, or do we wait to see where the new growth is? I didn't mulch mine...did you mulch yours?
I asked WZ about the Nemesia - she said no freezing temps, but the Torenia, well, she didn't come right out and say it could take freezing weather, but here's the link to exactly what she said. BTW, Stokes says to treat is like a Pansy.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4740779
I get all those new little ones confused. I call them "new" because they are new compared to the last time in my life I started a lot of seeds. (They weren't listed in the catalogs, I'm pretty sure.) Anyway, once I am sure I can remember it's Torenia, I am taking it outside to start hardening off.
I also have to look into the hardiness of Trailing Lobelia... no, it's not new, but I have never started it early enough before! I have a couple of hefty pots going.
I have no fingernails. They get 1/16th of an inch long and break off, split, flake, or otherwise self destruct. I use a nail brush once a day weather I need it or not ;)
Lucy, How much moisture crystals do you put in a 12" pot? I estimate It would be 2 gallons of soil.
Suzy
Suzy, here's the application rate table for watersorb medium crystals: http://www.watersorb.com/application.htm
I use about 2 Tablespoons per 5 gallons of potting mix, maybe a tad (like 1 teaspoon) more. 1 oz is about 2.3 tablespoons, so a 2 gallon pot should take about 1 tablespoon of crystals.
Some people hydrate them before adding them so they can better judge how much to add... I just guesstimate it from soil volume. More is not better... if you use much too much, they crystals will swell and heave the plants around... some people have even found crystals spilling from their pots after a snowstorm, forming weird piles of jello-cube "snow" on their decks.
LOL I have more jello cube snow here than I care to admit. Those pots have a convex top - pretty weird looking. The bad part is, a lot didn't germinate (yet?). Thanks for the info. I knew the website had some info, but I wanted to know what real people are doing.
I hear you're picking on my boy at Specialty Perennials again when he is hard at work doing 200 and 300 germination tests a week, and filling orders as fast as he can, while still tilling and sowing his own garden, and taking care of his aged father. Poor guy. ROTFL!!!
Suzy
Wow treat nemesia like a pansy that's good I can do that, thanks! It'll probably be a couple of weeks before I get mine trimmed but then I guess it needs time to come out too so not sure what to do about that this is April :) I might go ahead and cut mine back if I can get around to it lol I may not get to it at all lol I started trying to trim the grasses and didn't get anywhere fast! Need to do the blue mist shrub too and never did get my plum tree trimmed, gosh there is a lot of maintenance on all of these beautiful plants we grow, aren't we just suppose to grow and plant them then they are good to go??? LOL And what is up with people wanting you to cut your grass once a week! 8^)
Thanks Critter, I've been wondering where that table was :) I lost my notes on it.
I put some of those crystals in with my day lilies when I planted them last summer and got too many in one of them and it heaved it out of the ground :) And I think I put too many in my nemesia and killed it too :( It was the red and white.
Your welcome Suzy! Glad to help you for a change, really I was helping myself too lol I thought I had looked for rue in my perennial book before and couldn't find it but I did this time :) We lucked out!
I can sympathize with nails that split now mine never have then last year they did for a few months, wasn't nice at all I hated it, I couldn’t imagine having to go thru that all of the time, I got my nails from my mom she had hard nails:)
I was coming up with so many things I was going to put in pots this year and now I can't remember LOL I need to write these things down!
Suzy, do you think those geraniums would go with the cannas? They are trailing :) I think I have yellow coming.
Aw, Let me edit that Lea,,,,Treat the *Torenia* like a pansy.
Cannas and Geraniums would make bad pot mates for sure! Cannas need a lot of water and geraniums don't (and don't want it, either!)
I need to write things down, too!! Like what I am going to do with every plant and every seed I order. I always have some thoughts abot what to do with them, but they fly out the window unless I have a picture or a list. Just think how fast planting would go if one had an immediate place to put stuff.
Suzy
Illoquin-- did you order plants besides all these seeds and wintersowining?!? LOL BTW, when are you scheduling tours of your garden?! I will need to get up there and have a look at the final results. (-:
And, BTW, how are your daffs doing? You haven't said a word about them and I know you have a boat load!?
LOL Well, Harvey and Paul at Specialty Perennials are making me crazy. I like them and want to be friends with them, but they don't like me, I guess. Even when I'm waving $50. in their face for seeds.
I would like to buy their business (we could all go in together on it) and I'm sure we could do a better job and then pretty much be paid for all the seed swapping and seed starting that goes on here! Illoquin, you could be in charge of swapping, sorting, mailing, trial gardens, and seed research! I'll sit back and count the money and make bouquets!
I like rue, too. Very attractive and the butterflies use it for a host plant. Did you notice your blurb, LeBug, says to wear gloves when you handle it?! My friend was covered in a huge rash after weeding and fussing with it. 0-: My nails are a mess, gloves or no gloves.
tcs if there was a HOBO store my way I would have gotten one of those greenhouses!
I have a greenhouse on my wish list!
LeBug, I must have missed the post about your friend? sounds like prayers should be sent her way, we'll do xx
wonderful little sprouts popping up here yesterday and today: ansonfan's hot biscuits and green amaranth (but the green amaranth sprouts are wine color?), maltese cross, calendula yellow, hibiscus simply love, cianti dianthus (seeds I bought), and dryad's coral nymph :)
Hi wind,
As far as the amaranthus is concerned: if the seeds are red, the flowers will be red. If the seeds are yellowish-brown, the plant will have green flowers. Sound's like you have a red one!
ROTFLMAO!!! Somewhere in here we talk about seed starting - can you tell it's Spring and we're nearly past starting seeds??
OK, gloves - have I told you this already?? CRS - I have four different kinds, two that have wrists that don't let dirt in - I use those for planting, weeding, etc. The others have loose cuffs, so I use those for pruning and other things that won't get dirt inside the gloves. I used to have glorious long nails - but gave those up years ago in favor of gloves. Now then, I've got about 5 pair of Crocs......
When I stopped by Suzy's on Monday her daffs were sprouting like mad, and she had some really cute tiny ones in bloom. I didn't have my camera, or I would have taken a shot of her daff beds - they're wonderful - I'll wait and sneak over with my camera when they're all in bloom - her place is like a botanic garden.
We can all only imagine Suzy's garden-I am picturing a HUGE garden w/ wlakways and everyhting neatly labeled and enough to fill at least 6 normal size gardens!! Almost like a botanical garden place-like in St. Louis!!
Lea-crossing fingers for your friend!!
I have been trying to go back over all the past threads and collect and copy & paste it all into 1 document as I have forgotten most of it and that way I have a nifty little 10 page reference for next year!!!
I am going to big lots today & look for a GH-Lea said they are there and by golly I am on a mission!! If they don't have em-well then, 1 had better find it's way under my tree this Xmas w/ my name aon it!!LOL
I also need to get some soil & pots-I just got at LEAST 2 dozen surprise lilies sent to me by joyceanng and I only have room for about 1/2-so I am potting the rest up for my co-op helpers!! Hopefully they will want them...then DH & I are going to get the rest in the ground today-think it is all thawed (hoping)....
I am not good like Dryad-no hat, no sunscreen, and usually no shoes:( My mom is ALWAYS yelling at me about it!!
LOL Fairy - i'm the same way...sometimes i rarely have shoes on.
I'm out walking/playing with the dog... i'll see weeds or flowers that need deadheading, etc.
rarely wear sunscreen specific, but my foundation has SPF... but 90% of the time i have sunglasses on.
i was on that "glove" site... they have a really cool looking hat.
all sorts of gardening goodies... rubber clogs, new tool basket... etc.
I'm twitching just thinking about it. LOL.
>>LEAST 2 dozen surprise lilies
OH I LOVE THESE, i had them at my old house, never thought to take any bulbs with me, and i'm sure the gal pulled them all out like she did with all my other perennials.
Almost done sowing? I'm still in the middle of it! Give me another month and I'll be done.....
Wish I could grow lillies. However we have a lily beatle plague and they strip them to the stalks. Actually they even eat the stalks too!
I think for all the seeds i have... i'd need another 80 or so milk jugs, 3 of the 55qt huge bags of soil from Sams, and about 3 days of straight sowing [not even sleeping] to get done.
many of my seeds will be direct sown when they are able to go out.
and holy moley... if they all germinate... i'm in lots of trouble with no where to plant them all.
Just imagine: you'll have the strongest bones, the biggest arm muscles and no time to take a breath!
I'll be direct sowing a lot too! Probably half of my seeds will be sown in situ.
You'd be surprised how many plants you can squeeze in even the smallest of stamp sized gardens!
Boy you girls were up late chattin last night! My eyes wouldn't stay open past 10:30 last night.
Tuink, I hope you are still here, you are so sweet, sending me a surprise in the mail! :) I just got it last night, and it was a wonderful surprise to get that instead of just another bill. Thank you so much!! 8D
Lea, thank you for the hug, please have one in return and one for your girl!
TCS, those greenhouses are great! but I have no hobo here. (bummer)
My thought on the rue is that all the snow cover we’ve had here has kept it green, but now that the snow is all melted there, it may get browned up by a good cold night. Which I am sure we will have. I can’t count on nights staying above freezing until May and that even is iffy. The same thing happened last year to some heucheras I have, I was shocked at how they still looked alive when the snow first melted. Then a real cold night browned them right up! They came back fine. That is funny that Lea’s book says z 4-9 some places say that but I’ve also seen it listed as z6 and mulched in north. So that’s why I wasn’t sure about that one. I will wait to see if it dies back more or gets new growth which ever happens first. :)
Since you guys are talking about dafs I am wondering what type large trumpet ones bloom earliest? I have what were sold as king alfred in a sheltered warm spot and only a few that have dared to poke their tips up. When I was driving I noticed a yard that has some about 20' from the road that are all up at least 6"! I noticed them last year too and they are large trumpeted. I don't want expensive ones because I'd like to plant a lot so they look good right away.
I must be doing something wrong with the tags or tabs or favs or whatever they are. I have tried reading that thread before and I still don’t get it. I click that folder thing on the right which is the only thing I see up in the corner and alls it ever does is save that area of dg as a fav page or something. I don’t know, too confuzin for me. I think I will just copy and paste stuff into word and call it "The Wisdom of Fellow DGers” lol :)
Oh and my nails all break except my ring finger and my pinky ;) They are much worse from doing hair than they ever were from gardening. I also end up with dirt in my gloves and wear them anyway (dirt in them and all) because I do find less dirt in them for some reason. One thing about those atlas gloves is they are not too uncomfortable even when they are wet and filled with dirt lol. I guess that’s one of the reasons I like them. Does any one else find they think they are done in the garden, spend all kinds of time cleaning the dirt out of the nails, then on your way out to the car, you see a darn weed and bend down and pluck that sucker and go off with dirt under your nails anyway? lol that’s me! :)
woops it was missing some stuff.
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>>Just imagine: you'll have the strongest bones, the biggest arm muscles and no time to take a breath!
Tuink -- bones and muscles are big enough already [i used to weight train pretty hard] but i'll take the No time to EAT. LOL.
Oh, Tab, of course you are welcome to come by anytime you like, but poor Dryad, the dementia has hit her really bad. There is no Botanic garden here, there is no design here. I choked on my coffee when I read Fairy imagining it like MoBot in StL. Peeps! I grow seedlings and make compost; I never said I can arrange things so they look good, or even passable. I might have ordered some bulbs like Glads, and some cool bulb that vines. I might have bought a few measly plants that can't be started from seed. Maybe a few coops, you know...stuff like Caladiums and Fairy's TNN plugs.
I haven't said a word about daffs because there are none. Astonishing, really, because I have a large collection of antipodal bulbs and they always bloom super-early. (In this case, antipodal means from Australia and New Zealand where the earliest daffodils are bred.)
Yes, we can all go in on buying Specialty Perennials, but I gotta tell you, we need a third partner to type the webpage/catalog!!!
I have to remember that about the Rue. I know it, but remembering at the precise time I need to cut it back will be a challenge! What do you suppose would happen if I put the foliage in the compost pile, and then harvest the compost a month later with them lawnmower...all those cut pieces of dried rue?
Fairy, I'm not sure the Surprise lilies would make a good pot plant, although they would definitely make a good present! There is a botanical name for this quality, but I can't think of the word, but on the Surprise lilies, only 1/3 will bloom next year, well, only 1/3 bloom in any given year. That's why when you dig and divide a clump there are a LOT more bulbs than you'd expect. They have stages, but basically, the ones that bloom are the middle sized ones, not the biggest ones. Cardiocrinum is the same way. Only the medium sized ones bloom, the next year they get big and spend time making a big bulb, then the third year the bulb splits into 2, but each one is too little to bloom. They cannot take water after they bloom, so keep them away from your irrigation if you plant them in the ground.
Tuink, Your scientists need to come up with a cure for those Lily Leaf Beetles before they get too far into the US! Are they researching it at all?
Meredith, I just read something to the effect that the leaves stay on the Heucheras to protect the new growth in winter, late winter & spring, and then they turn brown, so those leaves were on their way out no matter what. King Alfred was so famous in its time, but WWI (or WWII) came along and all the Dutch stock was wrecked. Totally wrecked. There were many reports of it growing here and there in gardens, especially country cottage gardens in England, but what they found was the flowers and bulbs were not as good as what were at the time commercially available after the war. The bulbs don't get as big, don't store as well, and aren't as uniform; and the flower stem wasn't as tall, and the flower wasn't as pretty or long-lasting. What did the Dutch do? You know they are marketing masters, so they just took a really good yellow field trumpet with good bulb properties (storage, mostly) and named it King Alfred because of the strong name recognition. I do not know the earliest yellow trumpet commercially available (meaning for less than $5.00 a bulb), but you could ask the webmaster at http://www.daffodilusa.org, and he will put it up on the mailing list and people will email you their answers. Be sure you ask for the earliest blooming yellow commercially available TRUMPET, or you will get a lot of weird answers. Or as at John Scheepers - that might be easiest. Brent and Becky's do not have it, I already checked.
Dryad, how soon will I know how cold it got this morning? Is it posted anywhere? I had a pot of Scabiosa 'Ace of Spades', annual Scabiosa, out as a Sacrificial Lamb to see if it was cold hardy. It came through, but my guess is it didn't get below freezing after all.
Suzy
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You can use chemicals to get rid of them, but as I'm an organic gardener I won't use those. They're an imported species and quite new here......
I may try some lilies in the edible garden. I haven't seen those darn bugs over there yet!
