A local Hydroponics store has a cloning machine set up and was looking for differant things to try in for display and I brought them a couple cuttings.A celadine and a Rose Red. Will keep you post to how they do.I'm betting they will rot before forming roots.
Trying a Cloning machine
Donlaclair,
That sounds really great. I was wondering how a dn if they would work for plumeria. I wonder if the time of year and water temperature matters?
Mickey
Keep us posted please, have thought about trying one for plumeria, but like you, figured it would just rot.
Davie
This message was edited Jan 23, 2008 3:50 PM
Amazingly, I think plumerias will root okay in water given the right light and heat and oxygen. I've rooted in water before in the summer. It seems that it is all about the temp. Both Rose Red and Celadine are pretty tough ones so I bet they will root.
I wouldn't recommend water rooting in the winter though unless the temp is being controlled. I think some newbies were trying it in the winter on another forum which could only spell disaster! I know some collectors have done with it in a small fish tank with Perlite and about an inch of water on the bottom on a heating pad and been successful.
Yes Temp light and ph are all being controlled .Light 12 hours on and temp of water and temp of dome are above 76 and not varied to much above 80. I'll be checking back on saturday so will let ya'll know how it's going.
TO me 76 is a little cold...
Mickey
Sounds good, Don. I agree with Mickey that they could go a little higher than that. Ideal temp for rooting is above 80 according to various experiments by some collectors, but that is pretty close. Lighting is crucial too so that the plumies will think it is spring and time to grow. The 12 hours could be bumped up to 14 as well;-)
I'm with you guys and lean towards a higher temp.I'm just happy he's willing to try.His equipment his rules.
Pea size nodes have formed where the water flow is contacting the cutting,looks like roots will be coming out of those nodes,but not yet.
I wont root under 90 degrees f folks
I have a aereoponic setup from my lovely and dearest friend Suki.
I set the whole thing on a heat mat and the cutting go absolutely bonkers!!
I had 16 inch roots in 3 weeks on common whites
Others took longer but came through shining!!
Any that wont get grafted as always.
A few Cuttings did rot but the contaminated water didnt affect the other cuttings.
I left it in there on purpose to see what would develop if anything.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Aereoponics/?action=view¤t=AeroponicRootingSystem1.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Aereoponics/?action=view¤t=AeroponicRootingSystem2.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Aereoponics/?action=view¤t=AeroponicRootingSystem4.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Aereoponics/?action=view¤t=AeroponicRootingSystem.jpg
This all aside, Id love to see a 'cloning' machine
More mad science for me lol!!!
I didnt mean to detract from this post
I hope I didnt offend by adding a different type of rooting method to it
The temp clause caught my late night eyes
So sorry and apologies placed if I need to be. ;)
Interesting thread.
This message was edited Feb 4, 2008 2:54 PM
What type of solution are you spraying? Is the system spraying 24hrs a day? What size fish pump is that? Where did you get the O rings?
Thanks ahead of time and for posting your rmachine, may try this myself, looks very easy to do.
Davie
The solution is just filtered water with Super Thrive and a touch of Rooting horemone.
I run the sprayer 24/7 on the heat matt and lights also 24/7.
This came as a kit from a dear friend.
All was included.
Is the kit on the market, do you know where I can check one out on the web?
Davie
I can shoot a pm to my friend but the components are easily come by.
Nothings easier than buying a kit though lol.
Edited to say:
I did a little homework and came up with these 2 links
Enjoy!
http://cgi.ebay.com/AEROPONIC-clone-18-cloning-machine-HYDROPONICS-system_W0QQitemZ200196383921QQihZ010QQcategoryZ43555QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://search.ebay.com/aeroponic_W0QQdfspZ1
This message was edited Feb 5, 2008 8:49 AM
Thank you for the links. Kits always seem easier and sometimes even cost less than buying all the parts seperate.
Davie
Well, looks like I will be doing some experimenting myself, just ordered one of the machines. They recommend not bringing the water temp above 80f. You say you don't root under 90f, is that the air temp or water temp? Thanks again for the info.
Don, sorry for hijacking your thread.
Davie
Ill try anything to see what works
over 90 degrees works fine for me
ive gone as high as 104 ;p
As that the water temp or air temp?
Thanks,
Davie
Davie,
I would think water temp.
Mickey
Thanks Mickey,
Me too but you can never be too sure.
Davie
WATER
Thank you.
Bad news,the owner of the shop has ended the experiment.After finding mold and getting rid of it twice decided it was time to clean out the system. No roots had formed on the plumeria. He's not sure what the cause of the mold was and isn't even guessing. My guess is that those cuttings were exposed to very low temps before they were taken.I believe there must have been damage to the plant (In fact I know there was damage to the plant) which didn't become visable untill several weeks later.I think the time for cloning machine experiment is during the growing season and the plant is putting on leaves. Hopefully he will let me try again in a few months. Don
Don,
I bet in warmer weather you will have better results.
Mickey
Week and a half into it, here are the results.This was cut the same day I put it into the machine. It is not soft, but does not look like root formation.
This was caloused and put in at the same time, looks like roots to me. Thanks for the idea Don, and the info malestrom.
davie
This message was edited Feb 21, 2008 6:34 PM
Looks really encouraging. What is the root stock it was taken from? At what point will you transition it to dirt? Don
Don, the wierd looking (1st picture) is from a very fast maturing yellow/white. The other is from a tree I got from Hawaii. I still haven't figured out at what point I will put them in soil, but I will take a few pictures of them when I do.
Davie
Davie, those aren't roots, but it is on its way to rooting. Those white things are lenticels:
Main Entry: len·ti·cel
Pronunciation: ˈlen-tə-ˌsel
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin lenticella, diminutive of Latin lent-, lens lentil
Date: circa 1864
: a loose aggregation of cells which penetrates the surface (as of a stem) of a woody plant and through which gases are exchanged between the atmosphere and the underlying tissues
Roots come from the cambium and can come through the lenticels, but most come from the bottom. Here is what it should look like:
Here's another. The cambiums swells at the bottom or wherever the tissue erodes.
here's another one davie!
Thanks Clare and Dete for the comparison pictures. don't see any of that yet. I think the bottoms are becoming too soft, and might rot, but not giving up yet. I will send more pictures the next time I change the water.
Davie
just keep the water warm. the center part in my pic was squishy.
I think yours will send out roots just given a little more time, and they could come from the cambium through the tissue that is submerged so don't give up.
Thanks for the encouragement. I will leave them there until they rot or root for sure.
Davie
Well the tips started to grow in the cloning machine, but when I pulled it out it had no roots. Half way up it was all swollen and yellow in color. The bottom half was rotten. I put this in soil soon after taking thi picture. So far it is still growing.
New growth.
The bottom. The bottom 1/4 is toast, but right above it, the yellowish part, is totally hard.
Davie, you can cut or pull away all the tissue below the yellow part. It looks like the yellow is cambium that will root. The other lower part will probably decompose in the soil if you decide to leave it.
Here is a mid cut that was in the maching and started growing, the bottom looked just like the previous ones. I also put this in soil, but it has since stopped growing.
Davie
