Who (besides Emma!) will try their hand at hybridizing ?

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Have you forgotten me? I'm one of the MG breeders on this site.

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Sandy - I think you'll find that as January peters out, more people will start posting again. I think at this time there is not alot of activity going one for anyone . . . I myself am Winter Sowing for the first time . . . it does give me something to do during the winter month!

Hi Sandy,
You will be surprised at how easy it really is to cross pollinate. We will se alot of new SURPRISES this year from a whole lot of people on this forum, including myself. I've got several crosses on the platycodon side of the fence and some nils, but I really won't know unitl they bloom, you know how that goes.

Good luck and seeya around.
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I think this thread has a place for newbies who would like to try it for the first time you think?

Probably many will at least try a few crosses after last year? I know the interest in the hobby seems to be getting popular so good for everybody I say. :)

I will be categorized as a dabbler in hybridizing morning glories next year after two years finding out what does (and doesn`t work) because I grow a lot of other stuff and have a lot of other stuff to do so I`m not totally as into it heart and soul as some folks.

I`ll mess up some more projects and enjoy some successes once I keep trying I suppose. I`m enjoying a fun hobby within the confines of my small garden area and time allowance.

Karen

I had been hand pollinating and cross pollinating Passion vines.. I don't know why it scared me so much to try these, they really are no different. (well a little) lol. the passies are easier.

these have smaller parts.. hopefully newbies and oldies try it out.

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Hello Seedsower - I think there's a lot of interest in this subject - don't give up on us.

Professional researchers in Ipomoea have traditionally reserved the term hybrid to categorically reflect only(!) those plants which have genetically traversed the taxon of species...e.g., inter-specific hybrids like the youjiro (Ipomoea nil x Ipomoea purpurea),Ipomoea x leucantha(Ipomoea cordatotriloba x Ipomoea lacunosa) or Ipomoea sloteri (Ipomoea coccinea x Ipomoea quamoclit)...

The term hybrid has a much more generalized meaning than that mentioned above in generalized botany and is frequently used very loosely when referencing crossings within Families,Genera and Species of plants in which true inter-specific hybrids occur easily and very commonly...

The usage of the term 'hybrid' usually appeals to those persons who are marketing their seeds as having greater 'sales appeal'...

I would like to suggest that the nomenclatural choice chosen by the pro's in reference to Ipomoea be maintained and that any natural or intentional intra-specific crossings be referred to as crosses...

Just my honest opinion...

Ron

So, Ron, to clarify for myself, are you saying, for example, that crossing Ipomoea purpurea 'Gypsy Bride' with I. purpurea 'Sunrise Serenade' would be a cross,

but that when Dr. Yoneda crossed Ipomoea nil with Ipomoea purpurea to obtain Ipomoea youjiro, that I. youjiro was a hybrid?

Suppose one of us crossed a seedling of I. youjiro with a cultivar of Ipomoea Heian no Umi? Would that be a cross or a hybrid or something else?

Seedsower, I think one of the most beautiful crosses would be between an I. youjiro seedling or cultivar and Ipomoea purpurea 'Indigo Feathers' - not to mention any of the other higes. Imagine bringing Ipomoea nil genes to the higes :)

Ron, if I have not used the right terms here, let me know.

There are two different kinds of hybridizing in plants. The kind between different species and a second kind within a species such as hybridizing ipomoea nil,day lilies or canna lilies for example.

I do the second kind which is breeding and selecting with specific goals in mind. There are genes and combinations of genes that in order to produce a desired appearance they must be worked with or "hybridized". Two plants both having a desired trait are crossed and then the subsequent growing,selecting and further crosses done to reach a goal is a kind of hybridizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_%28biology%29

I think that understanding terms and jargon used in a particular area of study is an essential requisite to understanding concepts in that area. So, thank you Ron and Gardener2005 - this can only enrich the beautiful morning glories that come from this forum this summer.

Right now, my eyes are quitting on me, so I can't read everything - hopefully tomorrow.

bluespiral - In Answer to your questions

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It would still be a hybrid but after repeating and continuing a large number of the same insertion of Ipomoea nil into an I.nil x I.purpurea hybrid the end resultant progeny after many generations may not contain any I.purpurea genes at all and at which point it might not realistically/genetically continue to be a 'hybrid'...

Dr,Yoneda does not call any type of
intra-specific crossings a 'hybrid' and I respect his nomenclatural usage that is specific to the genus of Ipomoea...this nomenclature is echoed in professional literature related to classification of Ipomoea crossings and true hybrids... although much less specific information is to be found in the vast quantity of more generalized references on the web that are not specifically focused on maintaining proper taxonomic relationships and associated nomenclature within the Ipomoea genus...

Other people can apply whatever more generalized botany terms that are not taxonomically specific to the genus of Ipomoea however as they feel like it...as they are certainly free to do so...

I (for the present and historical record) will always follow the taxonomic guidelines provided by the taxonomic experts and therefore will always refer to a hybrid that is a true inter-specific crossing and any crossings within the same Species as a cross.

Happy Gardening...

Ron



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Sandy,

After reading this entire thread maybe we should have two threads? One could be for morning glory breeding of the same species. We could call it morning glory breeding and selecting.

The other could be called inter- specific hybrid attempts such as a nil crossed with a purpurea. I wish everyone who tries this the best of luck because it is unlikely to occur in your very own backyard but there is no harm in trying things. I`ll probably try this again this next year too.

I have questioned myself whether actual interspecific hybrids maintain their perfect 1/2 and 1/2 status over generations of time even with strict selfing because of the way genes recombine in seeds.

My goals are more oriented toward plant health and beauty and I plan on growing and selecting for the qualities I want to see in my garden. So maybe morning glory breeding would be the right term to use here on Daves Garden for what I will be doing next year.

Karen

I wanted to add to above post that I don`t think anyone would want to use incorrect terms purposefully. Sandy mentioned "hybridizing" which can be viewed in two different ways. A term may seem right to one and wrong to another but when two people are not on the same level of knowledge(on one subject in particular) then it is possible( though not a requirement since this is a voluntary contributor forum) to give some room for discussion and explanations for a better understanding to be reached in a positive light.

Karen

I use the wrong terms all the time too. But, we are all getting better, I learn alot from Dr. Yoneda's site and just studying on my own as you all do. Sometimes I have to re-read over and over and then I finally get it..lol.

This turned out to be a good discussion.

Hi All,

Generally many of us tend to use the term 'hybridizing' in the more general sense of the term [even I have been guilty of that], but it's good to remember that for proper classification purposes that most of what we are actually doing is really "crosses" and not true inter-specific hybrids as referenced on Dr. Yoneda's wonderful website...

I did many ‘crosses’ last year and plan to do even more this year. The majority of my ‘crosses’ last year was with my Higes . . . Now, to figure out where I will grow these all out! Guess I’ll wait until we get our few acres that I hope isn’t much longer.

Thanks Ron for the reminder and for helping us to stay on course.
We can always count on you . . .

Emma