Last October I have been indulging in ordering quite expensive Fritillarias from a Dutch bulb Company specialised in rare bulbs.
All of them were planted end October.
Now one of them, Fritillaria hermonis subsp. hermonis, came up already about a month ago. By now it is showing something that looks like a flower bud. This specie is supposed to bloom in April!!!
I moved it inside the house when I noticed it coming up, because I'm afraid to leave it outside in this harsh period of the year.
I wonder if this phenomenon is less rare than I think..
It's the only one of the whole lot (but other types) that does this.
I'm not having much hopes in seeing it in its full glory as I already had a bad experience with a martagon lily that showed a simular abnormal early growth..
A 'confused' Fritillaria specie...
Update on the above;
I simply love Frittilaria's not only for their lovely flowers but also their elegant foliage. Does it not look like a dancer ?
Almost flowering, I moved it back outside as the weather is quite mild for the time of the year (around 9°C) and although mostly dull, the light quality outside is always better than inside the house..
I've never seen an actual frittilaria flower, I've not seen them grown here. Thank you for sharing, it looks really cool
Thanks Tropicanna !
It does look like a dancer, very elegant! It was 12C here today but the winds were strong with very dark clouds, and it rained again a little but it actually felt warmer outside later in the day than inside!
I haven't had much success with Fritillarias after their first year, I did plant a couple in the ground and hope for the best, I can't remember what they were now! One was F. acmopetala, it was still OK in the pot last year but hadn't grown in it's second year. Another had increased, if only I could remember what it was, lol, it might have been something else.
I only got one in the autumn, F. whittallii, I have put it in the greenhouse but it's not growing yet. F. imperialis I am hoping will regrow, it's in the greenhouse in it's pot from last year, I left it dry but will need to have a scratch down to see what's happening.
I can't wait to see your flower, it lools like a good one!
Today was a very dark day with loads of rain and strong winds but relatively mild around 10°C.
I've moved my little dancer into the little garden shed to protect it from the wind and rain . Yes I'm pampering it lol!
Among the Fritillaria's I had ordered were also F. acmopetala and F. whittallii, so it will be interesting to compare them..
Mine don't show any sign of growth yet..
But the F. amana's I had planted in the garden have been coming up since a couple of weeks and are now about 8 cm tall, but I cannot see any flowerbuds yet..These are also way too early!
Today I saw two toads that had woken from there wintersleep, one was full of earth and had a kind of dazzled look in its eyes.
Couldn't take a pic. as the rain didn't permit.
Oh I remember your F.imperialis from last year wallaby , that was a true beauty!
Well, I've moved my 'dancer' back inside the house under the attic window as the weather has been quite nasty the last days. There are some core chilling North-east winds that makes it even feel more cold than it is. Around freezing during the night and max.6°C at daytime.
They predict milder weather though the coming days, so I might move it back again outside..(how crazy can a gardener be, lol ?)
It has actually two flowerbuds from which one I suspect has shriveled, the other still looks good, but I'm more careful to be optimistic seen my last experience with the martagon lily.
I'll try to take a pic. tomorrow.
In the mean while many other of the Fritillaria's are popping up..
I had put (exceptionally, because I trusted I would remember) labels on them when planting them in the garden but some of them have become unreadable so for many it will be a surprise..
this is the list of the Fritillaria's I had ordered:
Fritillaria acmopetala
Fritillaria amana
Fritillaria graeca
Fritillaria hermonis subsp. hermonis
Fritillaria meleagris ‘Alba’
Fritillaria pallidiflora
Fritillaria pontica
Fritillaria raddeana
Fritillaria whittallii
Fritillaria eduardii
They are all looking good and not long from opening flowers!
My F. whittallii is in a pot in the greenhouse but hasn't emerged yet, I hope it's allright as it was not cheap either, I bought it as a dormant bulb.
I will have to look for those I put in the ground, quite unceremoniously as they hadn't grown again but looked OK. I thought if I just buried them carelessly they might decide to grow, lol, but a mole (or moles) has done serious underground architecture (all over my garden!) so I won't keep my hopes up.
I've done that often too, just bury bulbs that had finished blooming in pots haphazardly anywhere just because I didn't want to throw them and then forget about it. So I often get surprises the next year, lol..
Beautiful! I love the way you have framed it with the pond behind.
I don't think my F. whittallii is going to grow, I poked down to it and it isn't doing anything, I'm not sure if it's going rotten. They should probably be bought already in growth or at least dormant in a pot.
Thanks, yes, that's the advantage to have them in pots!
I'm also disappointed with my F.whittallii..
When I received mine it looked soo tiny and a bit shriveled that I hardly believed there would come anything from it.. That's also why I planted it in a pot otherwise I would never have recognized it only showing some poor thin grassy leaves..
How strange that the weather here almost always corresponds with yours! Back to dull and cold here too since two days..
Your F. imperialis looks promising!
My F. eduardii , very similar to imperialis hasn't shown any sign of life yet..
good goin' ya'll--from the "lurking" bulb lover. Keep those pictures coming!
Debbie
Off Topic--but I don't think ya'll will mind toooo much. What's the weather like in Spain and Portugal? Isn't it hot in summer but dry? I'm asking because I'm starting some Sternbergia clusiana seeds--I know bone dry summer, but can they stand 3 months of 32-35C temps if dry? Is it that hot there?
Actually I meant Merendera montana from Spain and Portugal--sorry surrounded by seeds here. What's confusing me is the "montana" part. I'm thinking alpine--PBS is saying fall blooming colchaecea (I'm sure I'm spelling that wrong, don't want to drag over a book).
This message was edited Feb 14, 2008 10:00 PM
There's a lot of hot desert country in Spain, a lot of it is mountainous too so I wouldn't think there would be a problem! Do you read Spanish?
http://www.ipe.csic.es/floragon/ficha.php?genero=Merendera&especie=pyrenaica&subespecie=&variedad=
Looks like it grows on grassy slopes.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Merendera+montana+&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
My F.eduardii has put up its nose from a frozen soil.
I hope it won't be harmed by it.
I'm very curious about it. I found on the web that it is a natural hybrid from the F.imperialis and F.raddeana found in Tajikistan.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hillkeep.ca/images/H.Fritillaria_graeca_Giona_Scree_989-069__19.4.06x_small.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hillkeep.ca/bulbs%2520fritillaria.htm&h=150&w=100&sz=5&hl=nl&start=13&tbnid=QF2pDrVuvPbhyM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=64&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfritillaria%2Bgraeca%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DG
It's planted in a container on my upstairs terrace where it will get plenty of sun.
But now I wonder what's coming up just beside it, could it be an offset from the main bulb or is it altogether another bulb. The leaves have a strange shape, they are not just flat but triangular. I know I have a bad habit not to note down where I plant what just trusting that I will remember, but often my memory fails. I just don't like to put labels everywhere..
It would be interesting if there were more images in PF that show the joung stages of the emerging foliage..
This message was edited Feb 17, 2008 5:03 PM
bonitin--
This is from Janis Ruksans book on growing F eduardii so this is Latvia growing conditions.
"In my opinion F eduardii which grows in Tajikistan, is the best species of this group (the group is the related F raddeana, F imperialis, F eduardii, and F chitralensis ). Because of its similarity to F imperialis, most botonists long regarded the name as a synonym. Attitudes changed though, as it is recognized that these are clearly two seperate species and are quite different. F eduardii is the largest species, a true aristocrat among the other crown imperials. In the garden (that's outside in Latvia) it opens much earlier than F imperialis, at the same time as F raddeana. Its flowers are larger, more open, and more side oriented, not pendant. The greatest advantage is it lacks the unpleasant odor so characteristic of F imperialis. You would never think of plugging your nose around a large group of F eduardii, as you would with F imperialis on a sunny day. But nothing is perfect, of course, and F eduardii doesn't increase vegetatively. It sets sedd well, but you have to wait 7 years until the seedlings finally produce flowers. Although this plants flowering ends when F imperialis has just begun, some overlapping occurs and both can hybridize, so it is better to plant them some distance from each other if you plan to gather seeds. F eduardii forms bulbs of incredible size, up to 20 cm in diameter, and is surprisingly resistant to night frosts. On many occasions I have seen the stems and flowers lying on the ground in the morning, only to find them rising up by midday as temperatures increase. F raddeana is resistant in the same way. All my stock of F eduardii was collected from a side gorge in Varzob Valley. These plants come from a variable population, with flowers ranging from almost yellow to orange-red."
That was indeed very interesting dmj! Thank you, It all sounds very attractive and more reasons to look forward to it.
I know now that I don't have to worry about the frost and that the growth beside it must be another bulb as it doesn't increase vegetative.
Perhaps I should remove the bulb beside it but then I might damage the roots of the eduardii so I'm in doubt.
I'd leave it until you can tell what it is. =)
It could be just the variety from the area he has worked with don't offset--it also could be his variety doesn't offset because its colder where he is. Maybe?
By the way; this info is from:
http://davesgarden.com/products/gbw/c/2537/
A must have book I think for European growers--the man is phenomenal! It is sold in Europe too, it has a euro price on the jacket along with a USD price.
This message was edited Feb 17, 2008 11:49 AM
The leaves on the plant next to your bulb don't look like F. eduardii, they look much the same as F. imperialis which are broader and not triangular.
http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/p0213.htm
I wouldn't have thought an offset would have grown before the main bulb had got to a reasonable size first either.
Looking forward to seeing the flowers, there's definitely buds in there!
Here's my F. imperialis after the hard frost to around -8C, although it's under semi-cover (panes missing) it still gets the frost.
I'm learning a lot! Thanks!
Your F. imperialis looks powerful and very healthy!
Just discovered who is the very close neighbour of my F.eduardii,
its Nectaroscordum siculum subsp.bulgaricum, Syn. Allium bulgaricum, I knew the leaves looked familiar and I had some more sprouting in other pots ...
Ahh, it was ginving your little eduardii some shelter! Glad you remembered, lol.
Wow, that is in a big hurry to flower! You can always tell flower buds, the nose pushing through is always bulging.
F. raddeana is bulging too! Now don't make me jealous, lol.
My imperialis looks good today, it has pushed up a lot with the warm days and hasn't suffered at all from the hard frosts. Although it's warmer the clouds and cold winds keep moving in, so it's not so good for garden jobs.
What a wonderful coincidence. I just got some F. Radeanna seeds from the
hardy plant society seed exchange. I potted them up and will be hoping they
germinate and live to bloom.
Tam
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