While driving through rural southern Alabama and the Florida panhandle this week I noticed these blooming in various places. I took a few pictures and collected a few seeds. I have not noticed this plant in my local community, so this was for my education....!
...another....
This shows the overall flower shape....
....the back side....
.....a bud and sepal study....
One leaf shape....
..another shape....from Cottondale, FL
....and another shape....
A mature and immature seed pod.
....another seed pod...
...and a few uncleaned seeds....
Arlan
Very nice pics Arlan.
Great photos.. and the flower looks like a red trumpet.
Arlan - Great closeup photos and the closeups definitely show some key features to distinguish this from the species with which it is most commonly confused and that it Ipomoea coccinea
Here is a thread where there is some confusion regarding a species ID
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=4026496
The ID to the photo posted by phicks It is Ipomoea coccinea because the pedicels are reflexing as entered in the PlantFiles here
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/139580/
The pedicels of Ipomoea hederifolia have small flange 'wings' as seen in the photo here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=4151987
these small flange-like wings are best observed on the pedicel of the seedpods that are almost mature but still green...these pedicel wings are not present on Ipomoea coccinea...
There is another feature noticeable on the almost mature seedpods to distinguish I.hederifolia from I.coccinea and that is on Ipomoea coccinea the sepals cover the capsule from 50-75% but on I.hederifolia the sepals only cover up to 25% of the capsule...this has caused confusion among some botanists when measuring the sepal length of I.hederifolia,as some botanists only measure the sepal length on I.hederifolia up to the point where it actually is flush up against the capsule and 'covers' the capsule and have not included the pointy sepal tips extending outward more horizontally...hence confusion even by professionally trained botanists who reference professional literature regarding sepal length as a guide to differential identity between the species in question...
I have added my own direct observations of the species in question for additional clarification...
Hope someone finds the information helpful...
TTY,...
Ron
P.S. - Arlan - now you may have an even better perspective as to my interest for separate measurements in your thread on corolla measurements here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4110879
This message was edited Nov 4, 2007 7:23 AM
Arlan - Would you be interested to add the closeup photo that you posted here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/atenkley_1194049788_103.jpg
To the PlantFiles entry for Ipomoea hederifolia here
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/58095/
I think it would be a very valuable reference for alot of people...
Thanks(!)...
TTY,...
Ron
This message was edited Nov 5, 2007 5:21 AM
edited duplicate post
This message was edited Jan 15, 2008 9:48 PM
When I return home this weekend I will..... - Arlan
Arlan - Awesome photos! Your camera does a great job on the close-ups! :-)
There's a question on another thread whether the cultivar 'Hearts and Honey' belongs to I. coccinea or to I. hederifolia (and another source has it belonging to I. sloteri). Does anyone know?
Here's where the question came from on DG:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4397488 - Ansonfan asks if anyone can tell him the difference between Orange Noah and Hearts and Honey.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4397806 - In this post, Wind refers to the take on this by the University of North Carolina and includes an interesting discussion thread on the subject.
This message was edited Jan 14, 2008 5:35 AM
thanks bluespiral for asking for us...just wanted to point out I meant to say hearts and honey vs orange noah morning glory :)
There is only one legitimate binomial for each plant and there are often multiple common names for each plant...
The correct binomial for Ipomoea coccinea, Ipomoea hederifolia and Ipomoea sloteri can be ascertained by examining the seedpod characteristics which are most usually the most reliable ID key as the flower color and leaves can vary quite often...
I did not do the synonym work on these entries and am not going to give myself a headache trying to get these corrected...but as of this moment the synonyms for these entries are at least partially wrong...
Hearts and Honey vine is an old creation by one of the great MG horticulturists...I think it may have been a Darold Decker creation but I'm not absolutely sure at the moment...and unless I can examine original material to determine the species I may never know which species the Original "Hearts and Honey" vine belonged to...
Hearts and Honey vine has been used currently by some vendors to describe some Ipomoea coccinea and Ipomoea hederifolia that they have had for sale but I have no reason to believe that any of the seeds made available from recent vendors represent the Original Hearts and Honey Vine...
Ipomoea luteola is a synonym that should not be used
Ipomoea hederifolia var.luteola is a synonym and should not be used...additionally the photos posted to the Ipomoea hederifolia var.luteola entry are Ipomoea coccinea and should be moved to Ipomoea coccinea but not my headache...
Ipomoea coccinea var.hederifolia should be listed as a synonym for Ipomoea cristulata but again it is much,much easier to have the correct information added to the database initially than to get an ulcer trying to get it corrected afterwards...
Click onto the entry for
Ipomoea hederifolia var.luteola here
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/96716/
and follow the links I have added in the comment section which should clarify the differences between some of the species in question...
Ipomoea sloteri(previously known as Ipomoea x multifida) is entered here
Ipomoea sloteri distinctive foliage
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/81452/
Ipomoea sloteri seedpods
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/89947/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/89948/
look the most like one of it's parents
Ipomoea quamoclit
Ipomoea quamoclit seedpod
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/12302/
Ipomoea quamoclit Foliage
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/91169/
There are as of yet no excellent closeups of Ipomoea cristulata available on the web to assist in the positive identification of this species...perhaps one of my MG growout buddies will help to rectify that much needed photographic reference material this coming season...
Hope that helps...
TTY,...
Ron
Thank you, Ron.
yes, THANK YOU!
