This is probably a dumb question, but .....

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

The tip of one of my MG vines accidentally broke off. I couldn't bare to toss it, so I stuck it in a vase of water. I change the water every so often and the little vine actually grew more leaves and produced 2 small flowers! I was changing the water again tonight and when I pulled the vine out, it had roots! Whoa!!!

My question ... I have another MG vine that did NOT produce any seeds and it looks like it's about done with it's life cycle. If I cut the tip off and try to root it in water, could this plant have a new life and become a new vine? I don't know what triggers the end of life for a MG vine. What I really want is to get some seeds from this vine.

Has anyone had any experience doing this? If so, I'd like to know more. You can post here on this thread or d-mail me. I would really like to be able to get some seeds as I love this vine and the flowers. It's a cross and I know I would lose it forever if I don't get seeds from it. Thanks in advance for any advice. :-)

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If it's a hybrid, probably the only way to propagate it to get that look you want is by doing exactly what you did. Lots of plants that are crosses as you call it, don't look like the parent in the next generation. Open pollination as well as other variables will come into play.

I generally have decent luck rooting some plants by nuking sand in the microwave then adding distilled water and placing the cutting in the sand water mix after it has cooled to room temperature. I drain the sand of water and add fresh every few days or so. Large test tubes work great because you can see root formation without having to disturb the cutting.

In looking at your photo, I'd say that rooted! The only thing I would do at this point would be to remove the frozen celery looking portion of the cutting beneath the roots and then I'd pot it up in a sterile potting mix as opposed to a potting soil.

As far as taking a cutting from the other plant, timing might be slightly off if the plant is at the end of its life cycle but what do you have to lose trying?

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Thank you so much for the encouragement. You are right ... what have I got to lose? and maybe, just maybe I'll get the vine to root, grow, flower, and produce a seed pod or two! :-)

Thanks for the growing suggestions too! :-)

Mesilla Park, NM

Hi Becky, I haven't tried any of nils, but have tried a couple of the species and they are rooting, not all of them, some will even airlayer. I will cut off a piece of Dracula and see what happens. It may LIVE forever..lol.

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

I tried rooting I. bolusiana from a cutting this summer and didn't have any luck. It's a desert plant that likes it dry so I don't think the cutting liked sitting in water. I should experiment more with rooting MG cuttings.

As far as what signals the end of the plants life cycle....I know a heavy seed load will stop new growth. I've had a plant loaded with developing seeds stop growing, and then when I pick the mature seeds it springs back to life again. Temps and the hours of light the plant gets each day also seem to have an effect.

Mesilla Park, NM

Beth, try airlayering the species types, that is how i found out that marginata was rooting, then I snipped off some cuttings and tried them in water, they also rooted. I have an ochracea plant that jumped from one pot into another and rooted itself. Now I have to move both pots at the same time. I did not want to cut it off yet.


edited to change: obscura to ochracea

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scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

I tried it in water with an air bubble and it didn't work, so I'll try air layering! Thanks for the tip....

Link, Sweden(Zone 5b)

I have put tievine in water and they get roots, but it is a perennial one, I have never try annuals, I shall try to roth one of my NIL´S the one in the thread named Grey Fog, but it is not Gray Fog Emma say it is probebly be a stray seed.

It makes no seeds, nil never do here, so I shall try it in a vase of water :o)

~Sylvia

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Wonderful, Sylvia! Sounds like a great experiment.

I was going to do the same, but the vine I was hoping to get seeds from does not look like it has any more life in it. All leaves have dropped and it's dying. I think I waited too long to try rooting it. Please keep us posted with your experiment! :-)

Bessemer, AL(Zone 8b)

becky, my dad always said there is no such thing as a dumb or stupid question. you won't learn if you don't ask

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

So true, JordankittyJo!

Link, Sweden(Zone 5b)

Yes Becky I keep in touch, I have look at my nil now, it is very virgil yet and grow more in the top, but they are to young to cut so I wait a little to cut an put in a vase.
There are more buds coming in the branches so it sad to cut in it.

Today I play bee between my bluered nil in the same window and two flowers of my Gray Fog which probably not is that one, but a tray/mix up from another nil.
It could be an glorious mixture, IF my will set seeds.
~Sylvia

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Sylvia - Yes! I agree. Do not cut yours yet until the vine gets more branching vines growing off from the main plant. When I broke one of my vines, it had buds on it and it still bloomed in water! I was so surprised! I love Morning Glories!!

Whitsett, NC(Zone 8a)

Ok, here's a few more questions . . . why nuke the sand first, Equilibrium? And Gourd . . . airlayering?

Nichole

You don't have to nuke the sand in the microwave, you can bake it on a cookie sheet in your oven at around 200F for an hour or so.

I propagate some touchy plants and have found that I have a better success rate if I wash and sterilize my test tubes and rinse and nuke/bake my sand. I dip my containers in a mild bleach solution after cleaning them. The sand I use is always rinsed thouroughly to remove environmental contaminants then I nuke or bake it to remove other pathogens that could attack my cutting.

Distilled water has an extremely low ppm and I think that plays into getting cuttings off to a good start as opposed to using my tap water that is testing out at about 250 ppm +. Your tap water may very well be in the same range as mine. Rain water has a low ppm too. I've also use rain water and RO water. Distilled water is simply easier to pick up quickly when I want to start rooting something.

Most important after I've covered all the bases would be air circulation and decent light around the cuttings to help prevent fungal infections.

I broke down and purchased an Israelian designed propagation unit for woody cuttings. Those I was having problems with but I should have better success now.

Air layering is just another form of vegetative propagation. Here's something you might want to check into for air layering-
http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/houseplants/propagation_airlayer.html
http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/advanced/Propagation/Airlayering.htm
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/ornamentals/airlayer/airlayer.html
Very simple process. I've used Rootone and LFS around my cuts then wrapped them in Reynolds Wrap and bound them off with duct tape.

Don't waste money buying an air layering kit of any type. You can do this on your own using products from your kitchen ;)

Here's another site listing other types of air layering techniques-
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8701.html

Really sorry, LFS = Long fibre sphagnum moss.

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

..and just a warning...there have been some unexpected results from people trying to sterilize their soil in the oven! Just be careful and don't forget to watch it carefully.

What happened to soil being sterilized in the oven? I'd love to know so that I can be sure to avoid burning down my house! I walk away from the oven all the time when I am baking sand. I haven't baked any soil lately but I'm sure I walked away when I did.

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

I've never tried it but I've heard of the organic matter smoking or burning!

Mount Laurel, NJ(Zone 7a)

Hi all, does anyone know if it is worth saving seeds of: Morning Glory “heavenly blue”, Ipomoea tricolor-annual? I'm wondering if they would come true?

Mount Laurel, NJ(Zone 7a)

beckyg., I wish I read your post a week ago when a bunny bit thru my moonflower vine just when it finally started blooming....I was wondering how I could get the end of it into water...it died. I could have untwined it and put it in a water vase :) I really like moonflowers too.............

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I've never tried it but I've heard of the organic matter smoking or burning!
That makes sense to me. I rinse my sand and remove organic debris so I've not had that problem. I just don't need to be burning down my house by cooking gardening medium ingredients in my kitchen stove. My husband would have a fit. He already hates it when I turn the kitchen into a potting shed as it is and has commented that stoves and microwaves are supposed to be used for food.

Did a quick search to see if Ipomoea purpurea 'Heavenly Blue' was stable or not and came up empty handed. Hopefully somebody who grows MGs who has tried to grow from seed may know. You may not have too good of luck though if they were out there with other ipomoeas because of that open pollination deal. You may know who momma is... but chances are good you won't be able to tell who daddy was.

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

wind, if you just grew Heavenly Blue it should come true. If you grew it next to another tricolor (Blue Star, Flying Saucers, Pearly Gates, etc.) it might not, but it still should be lovely. If you don't want the seeds just post them for SASE, and get someone else interested in MGs!

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