Can anyone offer the best way to treat an injured chicken. The dogs bit her tail feathers off and she has some pretty nasty gashes. I placed her in a carrier after washing her off with just warm water. I have given her a drink of water with a touch of cider vinegar. She is eating ok. I have some injectable penicillin but do not know what amount I should give her.
She is my last hen and she has become more of a pet. Her name is Rock Rock. Thanks.
Neighbors dogs ganged up on my Plymouth Rock.
some say pure honey not the processed stuff, some say bag balm until someone answers just keep her warm and clean, both my wounded roos healed quickly with tlc and triple antibotic ointment.
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You need to keep the wounds clean and remove any feathers that are getting in the wounds. Then keep an antibiotic ointment on all wounds.
And if she were my chicken I'd give her about 1/4 cc of penicillin for about three days.
Keep her warm, dry, fly and gnat free.
Chicken heal really fast if just the skin is torn. I think I'd find a rival gang for a drive by on the dogs. We had a terrible problem with a neighbor and his dog. It killed our rabit, two doves and caused all kinds of trouble. We called the police and dog pound. The pound picked the dog up three times and each time the owner bailed him out. Finially, the guy at the dog pound said, "You know, if this dog is loose and you pick him up, you don't have to bring him to THIS pound". He told me about a nice "no kill" shelter about 50 miles away. The next time the dog was hanging out around my chickens and bunnies, I invited him to go for a nice long ride. We had ice cream on the way and he was delivered at the shelter as a stray that I said I found on the road nearby.
I checked back a few weeks later and they said he was nutered and had a nice home. I only wish I could have nuetered his owner.
jylgaskin, You have a heart of gold. I've lost about 40 chickens & guineas to neighbor dogs over the last 5 years. Anymore; I shoot 1st and hope they can't make it home. I'm way out in the county ... far from town. That is precisely how government officials expect farmers to behave.
I always hate to take it out on the dog, just because the owners are idiots. I'd much rather shoot the owners.
I lost one of my peacocks to a neighbors dog this spring. It now has a lovely home downstate. Too bad the neighbors don't. They now have a white poodle that they let run loose. We have asked several times that they try to contain it (at least on garbage night), but they insist that the dog never leaves their yard. I filled a super soaker with vegateble dye. He now looks like a tie dyed TShirt.
jylgaskin, Taking it out on the dog (the killer) is the only logical and legal recourse. No one can justify anything more severe or less severe. The dogs are Pit Bulls ....... I'm not going to risk my life trying to catch them. One of my childhood friend's step father was killed by 2 wandering Pit Bulls in his own yard here locally. Personally; I think specific breeds of dogs should be eliminated.
I understand that completely. As far as I'm concerned, most of the people who want pit bulls are exactly the ones who shouldnt.
Our local government is not quite so understanding. Unless the dog has an animal in it's mouth when you shoot, you are liable. The actually arrested a local farmer protecting his birds.
We have way too many rich city people living here now.
jylgaskin, I may not be perfectly acquainted with the finer legal interpretations. However, I'm on a large land parcel and my next door neighbor is on an even larger parcel. No one with dogs in the neighborhood could determine where or when their dog(s) disappeared or where the were when they got filled with shot to the extent they eventually die. We have folks here with livestock and those with dogs plus those with dogs who guard livestock. Its the single dwelling folks on 2 acres or less scattered amongst the farms who have dogs but fail to protect them. It is the criminal types (in general) who own Pit Bulls. Anyone with 4-5 Pit Bulls is not a dog lover .... but is almost certainly a Michael Vick sort of person. I am certain my neighbors with the Pit Bulls fit that description. They'd almost certainly belong in jail if all their doings were on the public record.
That is so sad.
jylgaskin, We're hoping they move or get foreclosed by the banks. What is irritating is the land was part of my parcel 10 years ago. The owner cut it up and gave it to his 2 sons. One son sold his place in 4 pieces.. 2 acres, 2 acres, 2 acres & 11 acres. The other son got 20 acres. I'm on the 2nd son's piece. The 3 small parcels across the stream have low income types on them who seem to be on welfare and have dogs that wander and kill when they can get to the poultry. It is quiet enough. We have a significant barrier between the properties ...... a stream surrounded by and willows & poplars that are 60 ft tall and thick plus we're 100 yards or more from their places. Its the loose Pit Bulls that are potentially a problem. We've only seen them across the stream once.
My Mother was our families pigs best friend. We raised 3 pigs a year for food. We had an electric fence and chainlink fence, however, the dogs would jump on the pig house and then into the pen (did fix this). My Mom never thought twice about protecting the pigs and she was and still is a great shot. She even had to dispatch one of our own dogs, a terrier, when he was attacking one of her parents baby lambs. I personal believe if the animal threatens you or yours its history. There are laws that protect farmers and leash laws. I have only seen one loose dog in 14 months and I called them and that dog hasn't been over here since. Now cats are a different story, now that I have guineas they all "point" in the direction of the intruder and do the guinea scream thing until it leaves, they do the same for the UPS guy too. I am also not allowing chicks to roam free until they are big enough.
As far as pits being bad dogs it isn't true, its their owners that don't train them correctly or train them to fight that ruins their lives. And I agree it does appear that lower income (some not all) have pits as a cool thing to have and really have no clue what they need. I wouldn't want to go up against one!
I always felt that people should have to pass a test before they are alowed to have pets or children and then both should be kept leashed.
I was told buy local and state law enforcement officers that I have a right to defend my livestock against stray dogs.
The first time I let the locals handle it, but the second time I handled it myself. I hate to kill somebody's dog but they have no right to let them run loose to kill my chickens, my dogs stay home and they don't kill anything.
jylgaskin, have you seen the "Dog whisperer" on the National Geographic channel?
Cesar Milan has a pack of about 49 rescued dogs that he takes running and rollerblading with in and around Los Angeles. About 2/3 are pit bulls. I agree about mandantory education of children in school about dog owning, raising, approaching and general information considerating how much of our population is canine in the US. I also believe that livestock owners owe their charges protection. My chickens have alway lived in a chainlink dog kennel as their outside run. You can't expect to let small animals like rabbits or chickens free run without a guard dog/or your own daily diligence to protect them. I have Shar Pei (wrinkly dogs) out with the chickens when I let them run loose in the yard. Nobody touches their charges! Except maybe raptors, Shar Pei wrinkles reduce their overhead vision a bit. That's why I ask people to approach them for petting from below and in front of their chins.... (no suprises with startling unseen touches from above) I have sent a few dogs downriver though, myself.
Carol
jylgaskin, I've been of the opinion that people should have to be college graduates, married, Post a Bond & Pass a strenuous psychological exam, to become eligible to get un-sterilized. And if the want another child ... they'd have to repeat the un-sterilizing process for each additional child. Humanity is .... the biggest plague on mother earth.
ceeadsalaskazone3, I DO keep my pets and livestock contained. I'm not the one who has anything agains pits and pit mixes. I have placed several in good homes that have come to me. The nieghbors dog who killed my rabbit tore the door off the cage to get it and the dog that killed my peacock climbed a 4 foot fence. I believe that it is my responsability to do all I can so my livestock don't tempt other peoples dogs, but I also feel that a person should pay attention to where and that their dogs are up to.
I don't condemn anyone who protects their own property, I have done the same. I just try all venues before I resort to killing anything.
The neighbors poodle doesn't really harm anything other than spreading garbage all over the neighborhood and being a pain in the butt, so I will continue to spray it with the squirt gun. (I have green in it this week) We considdered adding deer scent or something really stinky to the dye. They had annother dog that loved skunks and we noticed that he didn't stay areound very long.
As long as people refuse to be responsable, I will just have to keep geeting more creative.
And Photographer, I love your idea. We have always thought that you should be able to get birth control darts like they use for wild animals and then when you drive down the street and see people who really shouldn't be breeding or don't know enough to stop, you could just dart them like a zebra on wild kingdom. We could start at the high schools.
(I know, I'm terible)
BIRTH CONTROL DARTS!!! I just fell off the chair laughing! I gotta get me one of those!
jyl i laughed out loud about the tiedyed t shirt dog...what a great idea.....those idiots that get souped up dogs might hate their dogs looking like little painted canvas....i will keep that in mind
ed i hope your rock rock is alright....i hated opening this thread as i hate animals hurting other animals....but it sounds like they are ok:)
Gosh we've forgotten all about the chicken! How is it?
Photographer and jylgaskin, I'm all for the darting but they're breeding at 11 to 12 now! We'll just have to get smaller gauge needles, huh? WAY to many people in the world and to inflict them on poor dogs, cats, hamsters and don't forget... "Look at my neat python! Can I take your extra roos, puppies, kittens and bunnies to feed it?"
jylgaskin, I had to shoot a shepard size mutt stuck half in half out of my rabbit hutch (Broke the door, killed the doe and kits) I tried to extricate the dog and he turned on me, but was still stuck in the door. I went back inside loaded up, came back out and made a loud noise. I pulled the dog body out and drug him to the creek. I'm with you, not the dog's fault, I'd rather have seen his owner going 'round the bend of the creek. I'm not a people person LOL I like you guys, though...Carol
Carol, My wife is very Japanese. She just hates it when I "say things" ..... I don't really mean. I'll be driving down the hwy and get "cut off" by some moron who wants to get home to dinner 15 seconds sooner than if he/she were to drive safely. I'll say ..... "honey.... where'd I put my "Star Trek phaser?" or .... "How come I can never find my phaser when I need it?". Hey .... at least I'm not a maniac .... shooting my shotgun out the window as the reckless morons speed by. I can at least joke about it and get on with enjoying life. I'll be a bit less mean spirited when the reckless pass by. It is bad to see some people behaving like they're competing in the Indianapolis 500 just on their way home from where ever they were.
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how is rock rock?
Ed Fries 42,
The use of NeoSporin on wounds is fairly effective ..... even for chickens. The loss of feathers is not a problem (they're just ornamental) but the gashes ought to attended to. I had a roo with his coxis bitten off by a dog. Poor guy died. If Rock Rock has had her tail knob (coxis) bitten off along with the tail feathers .... that is probably curtains for Rock Rock. I do hope she recovers.
NeoSporin and band-aids, what did we do before them? LOL I also have to agree with honey spread over wounds. Especially deep ones.
Although I agree many people shouldn't breed or have pets, I don't think we'd be happy in a country where the government controlled our every action. Hmmm, what's that called??? Anyhoo, Pitbulls are wonderful pets, never had a bad one, but then again I'm not some half cocked backyard breeder breeding something for status. Sorry, just my two-bits worth, I looooove my freedoms, wouldn't trade 'em for all the scumbag dead beats in this country.
Patch, No one is serious about allowing the government to control every citizen action. Intelligent folks are probably aware of the threat of overpopulation. They just awarded Al Gore the Nobel Prize because of his work to get people to understand the real threats facing the world. Many of the people who claim they love freedom also make a lot of noise about what a joke Al Gore is. The loss of the right to reproduce without qualifying would radically reduce the # of people born (birth rates are a huge threat to the world). What I wrote about qualify would also put children in homes of ONLY those who have the opportunity to do a better job of raising them. The are far more pros to the idea than the cons. My neighborhood school district has a high % of children who qualify for free lunches. Regrettably our area is highly populated with migrant farm laborers who are not paid living wages. This indicates the people with children are impoverished or poor. Ideally those with the financial ability to care for children would be the ones with them. It is far better for highly educated, responsible & psychologically balanced parents to raise children than for the impoverished, psychologically unbalanced, or uneducated people to do so.
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That's funny considering most of the wealthier people seem to be raising spoiled brats who could care less about anybody in this country let alone the rest of the world. I take great offense to that statement as I came from a military family. We didn't grow up wealthy, but my father served two tours in Vietnam, how many congressmens or senators have children fighting overseas right now??? Who's having interesting affairs in men's bathrooms, or driving drunk and going to rehab then getting away with those things again and again. The rich. Why, because they can afford the attorneys. The world is their playground, they live in lala land. This country was built upon the backs of the poor and the working man/woman. I'm a nurse, I see all kinds, but I will always stand up for the "working class hero".
I grew up poor, should I not have been born? Just a thought. Many many great people grew up in poor homes. Wealth has nothing to do with the ability to care for children, pets or otherwise be responsable citizens.
All people need to step up and be acountable for their actions, the actions of their offspring and the actions of their pets. Then we wouldn't have to worry about someone's dogs being allowed to attack our livestock and pets.
I am not for overbearing government control either, but we do need laws as long as people don't behave in an intelligent manner.
"This is not ideal. It is far better for wealthy folks to raise children than low income folks."
Whew!
My grandmother raised 8 kids by herself. Clothed them, fed them and sheltered them. She was very poor. My grandfather died while she was about to have my mother. She worked her butt off and raised 8 wonderful children who got great education and became upstanding members of their communities and in turn had wonderful children of their own one which is me. Lets take a close look at Paris Hilton and see what all her "wealth" got her.
George
Ok, ok, Lets agree idiots shouln't own dogs or have children. Calm down everyone. Some things were said in haste. I'm poor myself, but my community is rallying behind me and my family in my little situation. I'm not on welfare or breeding more welfare checks, but don't let us drop into class discrimination and name calling. I think education is the answer. Keep those young girls in school and out of those boys cars. And mothers, teach your sons some self-control. I don't have all the answers, but let's not get snippy.
Carol
Patch, Poverty is not the cure to raising good kids. Educated people (in general who are NOT impoverished) are far more able and qualified to raise children. Poverty is a worst possible scenario for qualifying one for child raising. Impoverished people can raise children but they are handcuffed by the circumstance. Poor folks will always say that money helps when you have none. My emphasis was on the benefits of children being raised in the most opportunistic homes. No one ever mentioned taking children away from parent(s). This was originally a discussion about Rock Rock but somehow we got diverted. I'm probably not poor but ... I'm not wealthy (there's always hope) and would likely never have had any kids if what I espoused above were in fact; LAW. We we have 3 really good kids at home. My 18 yr old college freshman son is 1 of about 5-10 in his graduating class of 250 who does not "drunk or use drugs routinely" at every opportunity on the weekends. My wife and I do better than average raising 3 children on far less than average. Here's and argument from me for those with less to raise children. Income was never espoused as a criteria for having children .... I wrote "post a bond" and mentioned wealth as a divisor ... which it is for many things. You can't own/drive a car without money. Paris Hilton would still have to pass a rigorous psychological exam, graduate from an accredited post High School institution of higher learning, post a bond and get married before she'd be allowed the opportunity to "reproduce" given what I outlined. Chances are extremely high that she'd be one of the childless forever if what I outlined were in fact; LAW. Wealth was not listed as a criteria for qualifying one to become a good co-partner and possible parent in my original post. Ignorance, stupidity, lack of education & poverty are all poor arguments for the privilege of raising children. Alcoholism will never be something to put on your resume for the privilege of raising children. Spousal abuse is a lousy argument for being a good parent. People who are psychologically unbalanced or insane would probably be lousy parents. My written statements have been twisted and exaggerations used by some above to attempt to prove their point(s). I have gone back and corrected my written errors above.
I agree with photo's new edited post and thank you for the edit. I am still very proud of what my grandmother was able to accomplish. Lets not forget morals. Something i see lacking in many people rich or poor. I worked in social services for a time and had to take many children out of homes for various reasons. Morals is something that has to be instilled at an early age and has to be lived as well as preached. My sister and her husband both work in a factory and don't make a ton of money, but they have good morals and they have raised 2 great kids and live a nice life. Those morals my grandmother instilled in her children are still with us after a generation and i hope to see these carried on for generations to come.
George
I didn't say anything about thinking someone was trying to take kids away. I was responding to the notion that the "poor" word used I believe, shouldn't reproduce. I think the idea of giving the crazies in charge the power to decide who breeds is ludacris. I'll thank you to keep your crazy politics off and out of my ovaries/uterus. Peace.
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No written statements were twisted or exaggerated. You came back in and changed what you originally posted. You DID say the wealthy were better to raise kids than the poor. Your words, no one elses.
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"Ideally those with the financial ability to care for children would be the ones with them. It is far better for highly educated, responsible & psychologically balanced parents to raise children than for the impoverished, psychologically unbalanced, or uneducated people to do so".
Not what was originally written. Furthermore, just because one is "poor" does not mean that they are psychologically imbalanced or completely uneducated. Besides, there is no middle ground anymore that is slowly being whittled away, AND if those in charge actually took better care of the people in this country, you might be the one picking the apples and tending the drivethru instead of the migrants and the poor.
Just so you all know there is no such breed as a "pit bull". The breed most people think about when the hear that word is the American Staffordshire Terrier, or amstaff for short. This is a great breed and have a very undeserved reputation. I have worked with all breeds of dogs for many years both professionally and privately and believe without a doubt in my mind that a few individuals (people and canines) do not an entire breed make. I have never had the privilege of sharing my home with an amstaff but would jump at the chance if it was offered. I do however have a shar pei named MoMo, you know those "chinese fighting dogs" that are bred for the fight ring. My precious little boy is as gentle as they come and would never dream of hurting anyone or anything. When he was found as a rescue he was suffering from a gunshot wound to the back. Probably from some fool who had no use for a "fighting dog" who would not fight.
The same goes for the two footed variety of kids, you cannot judge a family's worth by the size of their bank account. If you did that many people including some of the greatest would never have been born. Anyone every heard of George Washington Carver who is also know as the peanut man? He was born of slaves I believe (could be wrong as I have not looked it up for a while) and found many, many uses for the lowly peanut that we otherwise would not have known. Go back to any of the great discoveries and I bet you will find that most of them were made by people of modest backrounds.