Blue Squares?

Manassas, VA(Zone 6b)

I've got some "Blue Star" morning glories, and recently, one produced a bloom with four only lobes, rather than the usual five (the five-lobed flower behind it in the photo is the next node down on the same vine).
I tagged the flower, which has since turned into a seed pod, and has been maturing nicely on the vine.

Will the seeds from this pod make vines that are more likely to have four-lobed flowers than usual, or is that not the way that it works?
(I probably should have paid more attention in biology class when they were teaching us about dominant and recessive genes)

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I too have had 4 petaled tricolor flowers show up, I find they are usually just a fluke. Subsequent flowers tend to be normal, I think this is more of a stress issue in the plant and not genetically defined. Im not 100% sure though.
-Eva

This message was edited Oct 2, 2007 12:13 PM

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

tricolor makes square blooms every once in a while, but the seeds won't produce a plant with all square blooms.

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Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b)

Colderwild - The square shaped I.tricolors only have 4 primary ribs instead of the usual 5...

I'd like to think that seeds from plants that make square flowers would have a higher tendency to also produce square flowers even if not all of the time...even if it is a stress induced phenomena...
Here's a couple threads where people have posted square I.tricolor previously...
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=3893727

TTY,...

Ron

Experiment time! We could try to isolate the 4 petal variety by selecting and crossing them exclusively, correct?
-Eva

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

Not necessarily...we haven't concluded that the cause of the 4 ribbed blooms is genetic. If it is just a stress reaction we would be unable to isolate the characteristic.

Summerville, SC(Zone 8a)

Sigh .. I'm envious .. I keep looking for the elusive square morning glory! Lucky you!

X

Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b)

If you marked the vine where you saw the flower then you could tie and hand pollinate any one of the flowers on that single vine and save the seeds. Then you plant again and see what happens later. These things take time especially when dealing with unknown factors. It wouldn`t hurt to try. :) Karen

scio, oregon, OR(Zone 8a)

It wouldn't hurt to try...

Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b)

The offspring of the 4 ribbed flowers may be more sensitive to the type of stress that causes the square blooms...

Yes,worth checking out...

TTY,...

Ron

Manassas, VA(Zone 6b)

Well, the stress explanation certainly sounds reasonable, anyway. The bloom in question was literally at the end of a vine that's at least twelve feet long, and everything (leaves and buds) beyond it has withered and died. The entire vine seems to be concentrating on seed pod production and ripening now, so I guess the 'Blue Square' was probably just the result of "starving out" at the end of the line. Still, the pod's been tagged, and is developing seeds, so I'll see what grows from it, if only another normal 'Blue Star' vine.

This entire set is sort of an experiment in random hybridizing and cross-pollination, anyway. I was mainly concerned with growing a shade barrier to shield me from sun and neighbors, so I planted a bunch of different varieties in the hopes that at least some would like the marginal conditions and cramped space that I had them in. When I started getting flowers, I began hand-pollinating them with a Q-tip, without any regard to differentiating between the types. I've got 'Blue Star' (from a packet labeled as "Flying Saucers"), 'Milky Way', 'Star of Yelta', 'Picotee Red', 'Picotee Blue', 'Scarlett O'Hara' (supposedly), and 'Candy Pink' varieties, all sharing space and pollen with each other, and being randomly dusted by hand, based on what happens to be blooming on the same day, and what's hanging on the end of the Q-tip from previous days. All of them came from garden variety (ahem) seed packets from the hardware store, so I figure I'm not wasting or endangering any rare or exotic seed stock in order to entertain my curiosity.

For what it's worth, the 'Star of Yelta' vines did exceptionally well in lousy growing conditions and cramped space, with weeks on end of enthusiastic blooms, most of which seem to have made seed pods (I now have hundreds of "mostly Star of Yelta" seeds).
The 'Milky Way' vines came along next, with lots of blooms that are now providing ripe seed pods.
I went on vacation in the beginning of August, and had to leave the plants in the care of an automatic watering system that I didn't have time to calibrate properly, so even though the plants survived, they seem to have been stressed enough that it changed the "balance of power" once again, and when I came back, I was getting lots and lots of 'Blue Star' blooms, the seed pods of which are progressing well.
All throughout the process, I've had random sightings of the 'Picotee Red', 'Candy Pink', 'Scarlett O'hara', and 'Picotee Blue' flowers, all of which have been wantonly dusted with anything else that happens to be open that morning.

It's been an interesting learning experience, and even though my random and scatter-shot methods are no doubt making some of the Morning Glory connoisseurs cringe, I've been having fun with it, and will be interested to see if any of the plants produced by these seeds are blatantly different from any of the varieties that I started with.

Netcong, NJ(Zone 5b)

Colderwild - Glad you're having fun...

Try using an extremely fine natural animal hair artists brush...the natural hair brushes usually work much better than cotton swabs...the cotton is great at picking up pollen but extremely reluctant to release it and the cotton mesh tends to abrade the surface of the stigma,...

TTY,...

Ron

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