Trying to learn

Here's one that bloomed today for the first time. I think it's a nil. Have I learned anything? Would like to know its name!

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This message was edited Sep 18, 2007 4:56 PM

Pretty bloom Rev! Nice.

Joanne

revclaus - Yes,that an Ipomoea nil...now you are another helpful person who can help to identify these species for other MG growers...now polish up on your I.purpurea and I.hederacea and start charging($!) for your ID's...

TTY,...

Ron

Ron, could it be a youjiro? How would she know? Do some youjiros look more like purpureas and others like nils?

All of the youjiros have sepals that look like I.nil...not surprisingly since thay are mostly Ipomoea nil with just a 'dash' of I.purpurea in them...the white rays of the flower would be an indicator that the plant in question is a youjiro hybrid...
although as we know some of the youjiros that display I.nil looking sepals can be closer to a solid color and in those cases a best guestimate is all a person can do when combined with whatever observational and circumstantial history regarding the plant is factored into the ID equation...
but if the sepals of a plant look like Ipomoea nil >it is either an I.nil or a plant which is mostly I.nil and/or has a very high percentage of I.nil in it...

Ipomoea nil has only been hybridized to Ipomoea purpurea and Ipomoea hederacea so the only other possible species potentially involved is limited only to these 2 other species...

TTY,...

Ron

oops, rev, forgot to say how much I enjoyed your flower, not to mention the overall composition - love these MGs in context

thanks, Ron - beaucoup fantasy ($) to you both - lol

Yup, I'm ready to set up shop! :-)

Thanks, bluespiral. Can't wait to see more of them on the vine.

I saw a flower that looks like this one in the plantfiles, called Henka. Do you guys know what Henka means? I really like this one too.
A.

Henka is a japanese term that was traditionally reserved for extreme mutations but this term seems to have found it's way into western parlance and is commonly used and abused to indicate plants that are definitely less than extreme by japanese standards...

Gourd, didn't Emma use a Henka as a parent of her grays and plums? I've been hoping for a grow-out thread of that for quite a while. Those of us growing out some of the offspring could post them there, along with pics of Emma's strains that they came from. I'd love to see the thread begin with the pic of Emma's original Henka.

So, Ron, would it be correct to say that Henka, along with Rosita and Hoshi, does not represent a definitive cultivar?

Whether or not that may be the case, many of us sure have had fun with the wide-ranging subtleties of Emma's grays & plums.

Rev & Jo, if I don't already have you down for sharing some of this gray or plum seed, would you like to dmail me in December? I'm putting this thread in a file to remind myself. Gourd & Ron, you two are already on it.

Well, I have an appointment with a shovel -
karen

Karen-blu - You asked

"So, Ron, would it be correct to say that Henka, along with Rosita and Hoshi, does not represent a definitive cultivar?"

Rosita is a madeup western marketing name...

Hoshi is a japanese word that means star...


Henka in general means
change , variation, alteration, mutation, transition, transformation, transfiguration, metamorphosis, variety, diversity, inflection, declension, conjugation

but in relation to the world of asagao it has been used in general(!) to refer to extreme mutations >so there shouldn't be an ultra-specific cultivar that is 'henka'...

Emma and myself have communicated extensively regarding the appellation of henka being applied to the blue flowered plant of hers that produced such a wide variety of colors...

It would seem that in an ultra-strict sense that it is not a henka, but that is the name that she received and if she wants to use henka to refer to her original stock that is her choice...

I am aware that Dr.Yoneda purportedly identified the blue flower as a 'henka' and although I remain unconvinced regarding the purported ID by Yoneda...it is Emma's personal decision to refer to her original seed stock as 'henka' or not...

TTY,...

Ron

So, that's why Emma's grays and plums remind me of smoke & mirrors - lol

Hahahaha!

So what should I call this flower?

This message was edited Sep 20, 2007 9:42 AM

This one has just a hint of the white rays. Would it still be a youjiro hybrid?

Beth, I think descendents of a species usually stay within that species. So, if there's a youjiro in your MG's ancestry, then my guess would be that it and its descendents would always be youjiros as a species.

But for cultivars, I think the rule of thumb is to go by how the flower looks. So, if a MG looks like Maisugata even though it may have had different parentage, then we call it Maisugata.

But, this brings up a point of confusion to me. I have a youjiro whose pic I submitted here for ID which was said to be Maisugata because that's what it looked like. So, can Maisugata be both I. youjiro and I. nil?

As always, I welcome any corrections and enlightenments - thanks in advance, too.

karen

I am wondering about the bloom knowing nothing about its parentage, since it came in a mix. I think I see a hint of the white rays at the end of the folds, but it also could just be a picotee.

Hi Beth, seeing this intensive blue and shine, I think you definitely have the satin gene in there...(I am thinking guinea pigs), don't lough...

Martin

I'm not laughing! I love guinea pigs!!!

bluespiral - You mentioned

"So, that's why Emma's grays and plums remind me of smoke & mirrors - lol"

Yes,it's all down somehow with 'smoke and mirrors'...

Beth - You asked
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3997381

Well,it's something that still needs to be determined because the amount of color along the folds can fluctuate,return,expand,contract and/or sometimes stabilize...

With the aforementioned in mind what do you suggest...

Now I'm the one who's laughing...
yers,C'mon everybody(!) let's make lasting sense out of this for the entire world to be guided by forever...

TTY,...

Ron

Ron, you sound like that fellow in the barn that calls out dance steps to the square dancers - lol

Now mah frandzs,I'm here todaey ta tell yuu bout the wuhrd...

There'll probably always be a part of me still working off my tarantella...

If the amount of white along the folds can fluctuate, I say this is a youjiro. By observation it looks the exact same (save the amount of white) as my other youjiros.

I know who you are impersonating, I just don't remember his name.. darn, my memory must be have shortcircuited..lol.. (Alfred Hitchcock)?? You know what I used to watch..lol

Alfred Hitchcock calling the steps to a square dance?....now that is quite a mental picture!

lol..

Or a square dance to Hitchcock's pouncy theme music -
do-de-too-too-too...do-te-TOO
lol - Now, why didn't they think of having Peter Sellers (spelling?) do that in Pink Panther?

anyhoo, here's poem called Tarantella by Hillaire Belloc -
http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/index.html
click on T under title
interesting background + variety of poetry

LOL! Ron sounds like a southern pastor to me who moonlights at a square dance holler in his spare time! Too funny!

Y'all are scaring me with the Peter Sellers and Alfred Hitchcock ideas and guesses! I think y'all have been viewing too many blooming MGs today and have become intoxicated by their beauty! ;-)

Deadant, deadant.....deadant deadant deaaaaadant..!!!!!

just a tad decrepituded by all the untangling and coding with Gourd's colored plastic straw idea going on here