Are these legal??

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/238/

I know someone who is growing them and when it hit me what you can make out of them I thought, "those can't be legal".

Anyone know? I'm not going to grow them I just want to know and for that matter anyone know where to get a list of plants that are illegal to grow in SC? Is there such a thing?

I don't know if they are legal or not but I grew them in Columbia and I think I bought them at a local nursery.

as long as you dont make opium, i think you should be good. when i lived near columbia, i saw those too

I don't think you make opium, I think it's a simple as scrapping it off the sides. Think it's resin from the plant.

maybe tis will help not sure but thought i would share

http://www.invasive.org/eastern/srs/

here is where you can request a printed copy of the book

http://www.srs.fs.usda.gov/pubs/gtr/gtr_srs062/

LOL, I don't think Corey was talking about the invasive nature - which poppies aren't around here.

I have always been told it is the latex (white stuff) from the stem that is used to make the opium. Probably there are different ways of processing it that make different forms of heroin.

Never tried growing them here but I've seen them in Charleston so they must like the Lowcountry. They are drop dead gorgeous - go for it, I won't tell. :-)))))

Yes indeed, the sap from the flowers before they open needs to be processed (only slightly) in order to make opium.

As far as the legality of the plants... *take this all with a grain of salt because I'm not a lawyer* The seeds are legal, and I believe they are the same seeds used for baking. The seeds for baking however are usually "nuked" and are not viable.

The plants themselves may be illegal but let's face it... who's really going to know what the type of poopies they are unless you go blabbing to your neighbors. Just don't get caught splitting the buds and smoking the dried sap in your water bong :)


OK.... you can all stop laughing now... Yes, I did write "poopies" :) LOL

Lol .. they are illegal, but the Poppie Police rarely come around. If you live in an area with lots of teenagers, the thing to look for are shallow horizontal slits on maturing seed pods around the middle or if mature pods suddenly disappear overnight. If you see anything like that, I'd advise cutting off seed pod and finished blooms asap because the Poppy Police definitely will start coming around if word gets out.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/opium_poppy_cultivation/images/opc6.jpg

X

This just gets funnier and funnier. Now I want to grow some just to see if the Poppy Police will come.

Well I tried cow manure for a couple of beds of mine. Worked well and ended up with magic mushrooms. LOL. One of my dogs kept eating them, stoner dog was always big on parties. Likes beer BTW. I have wormwood seeds from a trade and I just don't want 10 different illegal plants going on. Nice poppies, mushroom, wormwood (Absinthe), MG's (you eat the leaves or seeds, not sure), who knows what else? I don't want to make my backyard into some hippie paradise with the plant police taking me away.

I did think the poppies were nice looking but i don't think I'll plant any.

Found this on poppies, looks like they're illegal. http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_law.shtml

X nice find with that web site. Looky here at what's on their list. http://www.erowid.org/plants/

Good Grief! Many of those are growing in my garden. Shhhhhhh, don't tell

BTW, Where can I get some Intoxicating mint, Lagochilus inebriens. It sounds like a fun plant to have, don't you think? LOL

Coleus?! Psychoactive? Who knew?
Deb

Mint juleps anyone?

LOL, or maybe Long Island Iced tea without the booze??????

That list is unbelievable!! Sheeze.

As long as these kids/people are so intent on getting high from just about anything, I think we need to find a way to make this information work for us, like...
- masquerading our weeds as the desireable plants so they weed for us, or
- putting the desireable plants on the other side of a bed you need worked, etc..

And while we're at it, figuring out a way to make those plants extremely nauseating to them.

Yea, that's the ticket! (evil laugh) :))))

From another point of view .. pretty much all of our medicines originated from plants. It's only been recently that science has allowed drug companies to identify active ingredients and sythesize those .. the problem with that though is 9 times out of 10, they fail to acknowledge that those so called inert ingredients are synergistic with the active ingredient and by leaving out these inert ingredients produce a completely different drug which is not nearly as efficacious as the original.

X

X, i didnt get a word of that huge vocabulary!

Google doesn't have an English to hillbilly converter, not sure how to help you out. Hehe.

Hmmm .. ok,

Our medicine has plant origins .. the drugs from plants contain many different chemicals. Drug companies usually isolate 1 chemical out of many that appears to achieve the desired effect and artificially create it (synthesize). What they fail to realize is that all the different chemicals in a drug work together (synergy) to make the drug more potent and powerful (efficacious).

Sorry

X - I know whereof you speak. Living out here, I watch as many of the Marshallese women pick the pods from Kamani trees, and others...when I ask what they are going to do they say "make medicine". But no lab companies that I know of are investigating the eficacy of these plants. These people must know something, they are a happy, relatively healthy people....makes you wonder.

Shari, my sister that we adopted from there would also pick up plants and make a quick medicinal reference. But she would never tell me how to make the medicine because her family had told her not to share their secrets with..y'know...us. I understand that completely, and can't blame them if they don't want their wildlife exploited

oh lol i get it... had a dumb moment! core, i'll give you credit, that was funny!

Hiya Tropicanna! Yep...I know. I've done some research on the plants, planning an article on the subject down the road....especially since I have one of the Kamani's in my yard. Too bad your sister wouldn't share the knowledge though.

All cultures have many local plants to use for what ails you. Some work, some don't. Aspirin is one that has many uses and comes from milkweed I believe. Penicillin comes from mold. Pain killers come from opium/ poppies. List goes on and on.

our own saw palmetto for prostate health!

OMG I just about split a seam laughing at some of the posts on this thread! I really like the idea of renaming some of my weeds so the local folks "lookin' for a thrill" will yank them out for me! Do you think maybe putting a sign that says "experimental physchotropic plot, please do not remove anything that looks like a weed because it's not" will work?

Asprin has been around for ever .. it comes from the inner bark of the willow tree, salix alba. Descriptions of its medicinal properties have been documented in texts in 5th century BC and other ancient documents.

X

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Oh willow tree, I knew it was something simple. Think we learned about that in fourth grade, I'm a little rusty. Maybe we used the milkweed for butterflys. We use to collect caterpillars for school and wait till they grew into a monarch butterfly. Chrysalis were built on milkweed I think. Little rusty again I'll have to go look this up.

Found it. http://www.kidzone.ws/animals/monarch_butterfly.htm

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"Caution....do not touch! May cause hallucinations and unexplained euphoria...You have been warned!" I'm putting it everywhere I need weeding done!

lol now what if it turns out to be toxic and people die? put that around poison ivy or oak, and they'll learn their lesson!

Hmmmm, well I wouldn't want anyone to actually die! But getting good and sick might teach em a lesson.

that is what i meant. my mom burnt the berries of poison ivy and breathed the smoke for a "cure" someone told her about... not a good idea. it was everywhere. even in throat!

Oh how awful!!!! Maybe I'll rethink my sign.

She "smoked" poison ivy? If someone told me that, I doubt I would try it.

Thanks all for the best laugh I've had in weeks! :)))))

I like the suggested warnings! LOLOL

I knew someone years ago that yanked up a bunch of poison ivy or oak on a beach, then they all had a bonfire with it (just to get rid of it) - WAAAAAY wrong thing to do!! He was so sick from inhaling it that he was hospitalized for a while.

I have a back field of poke weed. That stuff is extremely toxic to mammals, but when I looked it up in Wiki it also listed a ton of medicinal uses.

I know if you boil poke weed a couple times in a fresh pot of water each time, you can actually eat it. Supposedly eating it keeps you from getting arthritis, don't know if this is true, I don't even like boiled spinach!.