Picotee blue

I bought picotee blue and pink seeds from seedmart, the original seed company is called Livingston Seed Co. The packet is marked Ipomoea Purpurea, but according to the plant files these are ipo nils. Looking at the black seeds, they are somewhat round and square, semilunar, a bit like spades from a card game. However, the seed shape also resembles Kniola Black (which is ipo purpurea), I happen to have an open seed packet in front of me. As far as the the size is concerned, these picotee seeds are twice as big as the Kniola seeds...I am a bit puzzled over this...I have the same seed packet in pink and can see some hairy upright petals in the back from what looks like a developing seed pod. However, the pedals are layered, which is more typical of a purpurea, the leaves of the pink version are definitely looking like a nil and they are hairy, with the blue packet the leaves are not hairy, but neither are they heart-shaped like the usual ipomoea purpurea. Does what I wrote make some sense? Summa summarum, I think I tend to want to classify them as nils...

I need to see a photo of the seeds and the leaves!

Martin - Post photos of the sepals...although the leaves can be helpful >the sepals are the most reliable key to use...

The seed size can vary alot in these species...e.g., I have strains of Ipomoea nil that only produce relatively small seeds and strains of Ipomoea purpurea that produce relatively large seeds...

Photos are worth a 'thousand' words...

TTY,...

Ron

Ron, I don't have the plants yet, I am talking seed packets...so here is a photo.

Hello:I purchased and sowed seeds from the livingston seed pack of picotee blue.Here is the unknown mg, I ended up with and a few picotee blues.The vines grew quite long in the hanging basket of the unknown mg.
The unknown mg would be perfect growing on a trelliss.

A photo of the picotee blue mg.

Hi Skimper, my question still remains is this a purpurea as indicated on the packet or an ipo nil?

Plant files has it as a nil. I must say, that picture on the Blue sure gets around. I don't think I've ever actually seen a Blue Picotee that looked like that!

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/53229/

X

Martin - the pictorials on both of the seed pakets are blooms of Ipomoea nil...but I'm certainly not going to vouch for whatever Livingston Seed is actually putting in the packets...

The Bloom here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/skimper_1189602278_169.jpg
is blue and does have a picotee edge so it is not inconsistent with the description even though it does not have the star kikyo shape...

The Large blue looks very similar to a Fuji no Sora or a Chiaki without the white spokes

Here is the same bloom entered as 'something new' in the PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/141295/

Here is another extremely similar entered as Fuji Pale Purple
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/77108/


This bloom here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/skimper_1189602636_274.jpg
is kikyo shaped and I certainly would prefer that these blooms be described as just that kikyo or star shaped...the 'picotee' designation is throwing people off and I think it is a poor choice for a western descriptor...

TTY,...

Ron

Ok, seems this is happening a lot. Because, like Gofast, I purchased seeds from Seedmart that I thought would be double picotee blue, and they were sent in the same package that Gofast received with a picture of the double picotee. Instead, what I received was what Ron identified as purple kikyo (http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=3951086 ). Pretty flower, I love the deep purple, but not what I was really looking for.

Indiana_lily
I really like that one.

Ron, it is so confusing when the vendors do that for me too. I'm trying to learn also, and finally got it thru my head that the picotee does NOT mean platycodon/bell shape. It simply means the lacey edge of the hankerchef.. like in crochet.. it is just an edge.