Genus Photinia / Aronia name change?

In Plant Files, most Chokeberries are listed under the genus Aronia. The USDA Plants database calls them Photinia, with Aronia as a synonym. Has the name been changed? Or should I just add Photinia as a synonym - and there are several for some plants.

These are great plants, by the way!

USDA Plants has changed, but USDA-GRIN (who are generally more 'with it' on plant names) haven't taken it on:
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/genus.pl?13463

Probably means the transfer to Photinia is still somewhat uncertain. I'd be inclined to keep Aronia as a distinct genus at least for the moment.

Resin


edit: typo


This message was edited Aug 16, 2007 9:33 PM

Thanks Resin. I added a few pictures to this one:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/54517/

I'll go back soon and get some seeds, I just wish I knew exactly when to gather them

I don't know if it's a bug or what, but I can't add synonym names to a couple cultivars of Aronia; it shows me the 'oops, check the record again' -

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/56680/

The synonyms seem to be coming up right on searches now, though

Interesting. I'll do some research and see if I can figure out which genus is the currently accepted one. If we change one, we have to change them all.

claypa, which entries wouldn't let you add a synonym?

The second link in my previous post, Aronia arbutifolia 'Brilliant' - I tried to add Photinia pyrifolia

I got the error message the first time I tried too, but then I went in a different way and got it to work. I'm not sure if it's a bug or not. If it happens again, be sure to let us know and we'll have Dave look at it.

Okay, thank you!

Here's the abstract for the relevant paper:
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0363-6445%28199104%2F06%2916%3A2%3C376%3AASOGIM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-P&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage
Looking by that, it is based on morphological data, not genetic; since USDA GRIN (who I generally find very trustworthy) have chosen not to follow it, I'd guess they have serious doubts about the quality of the data.

Resin

PS if anyone can get hold of a pdf file of the paper, I'd be interested in a copy ;-)
(I can't afford JSTOR's rip-off rates)

I generally trust GRIN also, but I find that they don't always include everything. So I compare GRIN, MOBOT, and IPNI for sure, and I have a few other sources that I check if I can't make a determination from those three. I hope to get a chance to sit down with this sometime this weekend.

Interesting article. Thanks! I can't afford JSTOR either, and when doing a search they always pop up looking like they have the information you are looking for. It's frustrating. :)

This Aronia melanocarpa / Photinia melanocarpa cultivar 'Eastland' has an entry under each name:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/171719/

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/166281/

Thanks!

Still looking at this - some Aronia have synonyms listed and some don't. I guess since this thread was started, PF was changed to where we can't add synonyms


http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=aronia&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=rating&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

There's an ID thread now about a possible Photinia and the appropriate Aronias didn't show up in a Photinia species list, and I'm getting very confused - lol

As I understand it, Aronias have Photinia as a synonym, but most Photinias do not have Aronia as a synonym.

Aronia arbutifolia, melanocarpa, and x prunifolia should have Photinia as a synonym - I believe...

Thanks,
Mike

Can you give me a link to that discussion thread? I can't seem to find it in the ID forum.

I didn't post on that thread, it doesn't look like an Aronia to me.. It seems to be moving away from any Photinia as an ID, but I got confused when there was a link to an Aronia / Photinia without the synonym, and I had seen the same plant by the other name in PF.

This shouldn't affect that ID thread, I don't think, but here it is:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1006923/