If you scratch the soil you will have gillions of these seedlings emerge. the second picture is when it puts on second set of leaves. The next two pictures are as it matures. I have never seen a bloom but I don't let it get that far. I have tried every pre-emergent to no avail. This has been going on for about five years and the seeds do not seem to be dwindling at all. Is this familiar to anyone?
some kind of sweet potatoe vine
I have sweet potato vine it it is not like it in appearance. This leaf is 1 to 2 inches wide ,quite small. It is evident that it is a tiny seed produced plant. Thanks for the guess Paul. I am wondering if there is some sort of bindweed like this.
Cindy
not sure buti do know theres more then one type of potatoe vine
The cotyledons resemble cordatotriloba.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/147730/
Here are some more in the plant files. Do the mature plants and flowers in the pictures look like these?
I`m no expert on ID but it`s a good guess. :)
This message was edited Aug 4, 2007 2:39 PM
Karen the mature leaf on that one has some variation or cutting to it. I don't know what to call it. The leaves on this always stays kinda heart shape.
OT
Karen Please look at these pictures of the Mg I was asking about earlier. If you need different pictures let me know.
http://picasaweb.google.com/riverland711/20070803081924
I don`t know for sure what it is but cordatotriloba has both kinds of leaves. The flower would help with the ID. If you are fighting it then it probably is a wild something or nother.
I`m unsure what that flower in the picasa picture is. It resembles ipomoea purpurea but I don`t know for sure. If someone here is unable to give you a positive ID today try the plant ID forum. I always go there if I`m stumped on something and can`t figure out what something might be.
I really haven`t learned very much about wild plants in the past year. My head has been stuck in hybridizing and growing ipomoea nils.
I`m sure someone here knows exactly what this is and will tell you. I`ll learn something today along with you. :)
The sepals on your picaseweb pictures look like ipomoea purpureas. The flowers look "stuck" closed for some reason. I have see my own flowers looking this way when it is raining a lot. Maybe the water and humid conditions make the petals stick? That`s my best guess....
I do believe this vine is some sort of bindweed. I found a mature patch of it sprawling and climbing near the well house. No blooms at all. I seem to remember some small seed head in the past. Not a morning glory seed type.
I love my Morning glories and only wish they were as prolific as this vine.
Thanks Karen for looking at that Morning Glory for me. Any one else please feel free to look and see what is happening with this peculiar bloom. I don't know whether to save seed off it or not. http://picasaweb.google.com/riverland711/20070803081924 This is a picture of the bloom.
Riverland - Thanks for posting your photos...
The plant in the following photos does look like something in the batas series...most likely either Ipomoea cordatotriloba or Ipomoea lacunosa...either of the aforementioned can have fully cordate,tri-lobed or variously intermediate shaped leaves...
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Riverland_1186249176_400.jpg
If you take one and allow it to fully mature (where you can keep tabs on it properly and where it won't cause any trouble) and produce flowers a definitive ID would then be possible...
The plant in the photo here
http://picasaweb.google.com/riverland711/20070803081924/photo#5094657214686345058
is clearly Ipomoea purpurea...in fact 2 reflexed seedpods are blurry but still very visible along the center bottom edge of the photo...
The flowers are partially cleistogamic and actually resemble a japanese MG called Maruba...
I'd be interested in some seeds from this purpurea...
TTY,...
Ron
This is the exact same critter that I have taking over part of my garden. I have trained it up my pergola and on my fence and it is a thick, beautiful green vine with huge leaves but no flowers. Not even the first bud. I had actually posted a question on morning glory thread # 14 about this thing and asking for suggestions about how to make it bloom before I saw this thread. Somebody suggested a bloom booster fertilizer, but I've done that to no avail. So is this something that I should be trying to get rid of? I was so excited that I had "wild morning glories" in my garden!
I was worried if I got the answers right and it looks like I did remember some of the things that have been discussed here already.
It is not unusual for the morning glory to be in growth mode and not bloom for long periods of time for reasons such as soil is rich,partial shadiness, lots of rain and probably other things we don`t know about or think about. Some vines bloom in the spring or the fall and some bloom constantly until frost.
okay...well let me confuse the whole thing and add in that i think it looks like a hyacinth bean vine.....i have 5 growing and it looks like one of them....hmmmmm(grin)
I wish it was but not .I have hyacinth too Thank you Karen and Ron.
Bindweed.
I think you are right revclaus I have since found them in our pasture and there are no signs of a bloom.
Bindweed does bloom, so maybe I'm wrong. They'd be blooming by now.
Lalasland - please post closeup photos of the leaves on your plant in question...
revclaus and Riverland - the fact that a plant may or may not flower is not the scientific method of determining the species...
The species is determined by a number of plant characteristics such as leaf shape,habit,inflorescence structures and cotyledons(!)...
The cotyledons shown in the photo here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3817110
are absolutely not that of any type of Calystegia or Convolvulus 'bindweed'...although I have noticed that in certain parts of the Gulf Coast states that species such as Ipomoea triloba,Ipomoea cordatotriloba and Ipomoea lacunosa are often referred to as 'bindweed' despite the fact that they do not spread by underground runners in the manner of Calystegia sepium
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/9637/
and the
Convolvulus bindweeds like
Convolvulus arvensis which has relatively small leaves
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/34071/
and Convolvulus equitans
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/134312/
which has multilobed leaves
I fully agree with gardener2005's assessment on the current absence of flowers...
Hope that helps...
TTY,...
Ron
P.S. - Cotyledon of a Calystegia pubescens (formerly Calystegia japonica)
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/157636/
which is very closely related to Calystegia sepium
This message was edited Jul 9, 2008 2:06 PM
Convolvulus equitans that one is beautiful.
Ron, not everybody has your skills to determine from the scientific method what a given plant is.
OK, it is my turn. I am not trying to be facetious, here, but there are some horticultural principles in the science of gardening that might explaine this flowerless ness. Night time temps, hours of sunlight, moisture, nature of the specie. It may be that it doesnt bloom the first year, and this would explain why someone else has it in bloom and you dont. You need a test group that you don't bother. So many otheres have expressed an interest, with the same observations, we are all getting tied together on this like a project. That is why I love it here.
Ron has mentioned in the past to me that some species don't even germinate until the heat of summer is past, and the temp is a little lower. It is suspecious and interesting that these didn't germinate until August. That should tell somebody something that knows about the germination times of the natural species. This needs to go on the calendar, as well as if it blooms. Chances are, it will bud up and bloom
before summer is over, then we will all laught together, because without the flower, we couldn't Identify it. Hang in there and keep posting, and get us some pictures of the variety of leaves it produces.
This goes to show us how little information we have accumulated on our own wild species, and how much more needs to be added to the plant files regarding these wild species this summer. So I am throwing down the challenge for all of us to also get out there and get some specie pictures for the plant file. Ron also likes to add pictures of the cotyledon, since they help narrow down the choices in the specie anallysis. Frank
These have been germinating since early April. Any time the mulch is disturbed and the soil is barely scratched I will have no less than 20 sprouts in a 5inch square. I keep pulling or digging them up diligently. Even after five years of doing this there does not seem to be any slackening of seed germination. I have not found any pre-emergent that will deter it. Like I said before I have some that are a large tangled mass showing no signs of bloom. The ones that I fight are in a large flower bed . They strangle every plant they can get a hold on. My purposely planted MG do not behave this way. These never have a variance of the leaf either. I am watching this mass for bloom at some time so we might identify what it truly is. I thank you all for your interest. I have learned so much from all of you just lurking in the back ground. I think MGs are going to be my next obsession since I just love all the colors and different types. If any of you have extra seed I would be glad to send postage so that I could try more kinds. I have a large tall fenced area that is perfect for growing them. I only wish I had one thimble full of the knowlege that sweet Karen and Ron possess. Ron naturally is usually a bit over my head but that doesn't mean I don't learn from him. If he didn't challenge our brain we would stagnate at the same level. I am only a yardner in comparison. LOL Cindy
revclaus - I'm just trying to help in the ID and point out the features that will enable a positive ID...not faulting anyone for making and offering observances...again just sharing on which features will actually enable a positive botanical ID...
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and observations...
Riverland - Thanks for sharing and appreciating where my intentions are coming from...
TTY,...
Ron
This message was edited Aug 7, 2007 4:17 AM
Riverland, If these are the kind of cordatatriloba I`m seeing in the ditch by our house or they could possibly be a similar but little bit different variety you will possibly not see blooms(if it does bloom at all) until maybe next spring and I don`t see these blooms every year either. Sometimes there are only one or two flowers at a time easy to miss them if one isn`t searching and some years like last year they had a large flush of purple looking blooms calling attention to themselves.
These wild vines that I`m familiar with bloom some years a few weeks in spring and then they are just vines the rest of the year. This year they didn`t bloom at all which was strange but the same vines with two kinds of leaves and some with just the tri lobe and some with mostly cordate leaves are there in the ditch enduring the town maintenance weedkiller year and after. All this does is keep them from taking over the entire city I`m sure. :)
Good look keeping them in check. Speaking of maintenance, I`m due to go do some clearing of areas in the garden today. Fall planting is so much fun! See you later on at the RU :)
This could be the culprit. It is a small one inch purple flower with leaf shown in picture.
This message was edited Sep 15, 2007 2:45 PM
Another.
This just began to bloom...after it covered up one of my crape myrtles! I have to get work clearing this out before it makes seeds!
Bye/bye Karen
Karen that is exactly what mine is. I first saw blooms today so I have been dilligently eradicating it. Too many really pretty ones to let this was choke them out. It is aggressive.
OH! MY !GOD! KEEP IT PULLED_DON"T LET IT BLOOM!!!! IT"S BINDWEED!!! I've been busy for a few weeks and let a few small ones like your go and now it's a vine full of morning glory looking lavenderish Bee filled flowers that have covered over shrubs, roses, and any thing in it's path in 3 very large beds. It does come back-because one of these beds had deep layers of newspaper mulch that it came through. HATE this stuff. That and nut grass and nettle are the bane of my existance!!!
Ginger
If it is bindweed, it won't help to stop it from blooming. Bindweed mostly spreads by runners in the soil.
Hi wonder if Cordatatriloba is invasable, I have dig down a lots of roots in my garden, just to try to see if it manage my winter in Sweden or not.
We can have down to -29 degree celsius (-20 degree F) for 1 or 2 weeks in january.
Yes bindweed/Convolvulus spreads by runners in the soil. But it have lovely flowers if it´s grow on place where you want it.
Here are a picture of the batatas series, my own Dioscorea bulbiferus Airpotatio you can compare with you leaf, it not looks like batatas.
Hälsningar Sylvia in Sweden
I think it is cordatotriloba. Yanking out the blooms will at least prevent another invasion of unwanted seedlings and keep it from hiding my crape mytles.
Karen
Ipomoea cordatotriloba is in the (Ipomoea batatas series) and it may(or may not) produce a perennial root...the root produced by Ipomoea cordatotriloba does contribute to it's continuation but it is NOT a 'bindweed' in the sense that the roots spread in the same manner that Calystegia sepium rhizomes do in a vast underground network that can be produced by a single plant...
Bindweed is a very innaccurate and non-specific term that has caused many people to engender and perpetuate inaccurate botanical names >which is the one and only scientific name for every individual species...
People will often routinely call 'anything' that resembles 'bindweed' just that...and although this may be useful to some gardening practice it definitely has and continues to cause confusion regarding accurate botanical names...
Botanical names ARE IMPORTANT to keep accurate because each different plant species does have individualistic characteristics that distinguish it from other plants...
Calystegia roots are always cold hardy and perennial which dive deep into the soil and are much more difficult to remove than Ipomoea cordatotriloba which although it does form a perennial root >it is not very cold hardy...the roots do not dive anywhere near as deeply as Calystegia sepium which also has seeds that are documented to remain dormant for up to 5 decades and sprouting when they sense the time is right...
Calystegia sepium requires seriously toxic herbicides to eradicate it...while Ipomoea cordatotriloba does not require the application of herbicides as toxic as those used for I.cordatotriloba...
Calystegia is known to cross fertilize with some other Calystegia species but will not cross fertilize with any Ipomoea species...
Ipomoea cordatotriloba is one of the rare few Ipomoea species that will hybridize with another annual species namely Ipomoea lacunosa which is always an annual...
the hybrid offspring Ipomoea x leucantha is more often an annual and/or a short-lived perennial with a rootstock that is not as hardy or as long lived as the Ipomoea cordatotriloba...
Sylvia - The Dioscorea does produce a tuber but is in a different Family of plants than the Morning Glories...
Just sharing a few key points...
TTY,...
Ron
Hi Ron, thanks for interesting information om calystegia och Ipomoea.
I know that Dioscorea is in another Family than the Morning Glorys, I only wanted to show a picture because they talk about it in a tread above :o)
Sylvia
This one has been controllable with handpulling and weedkiller. I have never allowed the vines to set seeds and believe that has to help with the control. Karen
