A friend gave me what was supposed to be White Henryi. It's obviously not. Not too concerned about getting it IDed, but I notice it has "pincers" like Lilium speciosum. Does Casa Blanca have these? This is what I mean by pincers:
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2668150
Look at the ends of the buds. See the little claw-like structures?
(P.S., Wallaby, I started drooling again.)
Here's a terribly washed out pic of my Casa Blanca lookin thing:
Pretty sure I'd remember if I'd seen any of those scary pincers.
Here's my CB
Pincers are reserved for very special lilies.
Naturally!
The claws were very noticeable, although not quite as large as on the lily we all hail. Even in your CB pic, Moby, you would easily see the pincers on that bud, if it had them.
I bought some lilies a couple of years back that bloomed "almost Casa Blanca". They were supposed to be Triumphators. Smaller flowers and not as rounded as my Casa Blanca. Some sort of species throwback?
They did not return this year.
Lefty ~ my post above was to show my pincer-less CB. Otherwise, I surely would have reported immediately to those adept at dealing with aliens, and might have considered deportation. :)
Lefty, I have checked a pic of mine and yes, L. Casablanca does have small pincers! It must have L. speciosum blood, no wonder it is such a fine flower! (Keeping a watchful eye on that from now ~ could this be something endemic to my location?)
Now you have got me drooling again over the Gloriowhatsits, but sadly it is not able to thrill us again this year. The dreadfully cold weather, combined with it's pot sitting under an open window in the greenhouse getting the constant rain we had, led to it's demise. The end of the stem rotted off!
I had 3 flower stems of L. nepalense each with a single flower, but they were so poor this year with the cold and rain, plus mole activity, that I just couldn't get excited over them. They were small, and battered with rain, but with some days at only 12C who can blame them. I felt small and battered too!
I cropped off a Casablanca bud for you,
Moby, I see yours doesn't have pincers, so it's either something my lilies ate or yours is not Casablanca!
Mine is definitely Casablanca.......
Lily Register: Casa Blanca
Selection from Jamboree Group X white oriental seedling
Lily Register: Jamboree Group
(L. speciosum X L. auratum) X L. speciosum
As with Star Gazer, there are a lot of phonies out there. Sellers make money off the famous name and the consumer is clueless. I don't see that it matters unless you are hybridizing and need to accurately identify the parentage. Mine are finishing up bloom now so maybe I can just review my previous photos for hints that mine are fake or real (assuming CB does have claws; not mentioned in the register description).
Ok, that explains why I sometimes see Casa Blanca spelled like that "Casa Blanca" and sometimes see it spelled "Casablanca." Tricky...
I hadn't thought of that, Ticker. If it IS deliberate then indeed they are being tricky... Also Stargazer vs. Star Gazer... Really, I think most of us gardeners, including me, wouldn't know an imposter from the real thing unless there is some obvious identifying characteristic. Such as claws on Casa Blanca. Hmmm.... just checking the last two PNWLS catalogs and the LG offered Casa Blanca in both for a mere 3 bucks each, so if they offer them again I might pick up a couple of them. Well, I see B & D spells it Casablanca and they introduced it in the US. The Lily Register, managed by the Royal Horticultural Society should indicate the correct spelling provided by whoever submitted the registration request.
Well, this is what the Lily Register says:
VII (b) Casa Blanca clone
Parentage: Selection from Jamboree Group x seedling white oriental
Hybridizer: H:1975, G:1978, N:&I:1984: Gebr. Vletter & J.A.denHaan. Bloembollencultuur, 1984.
Description: White, outside white with yellowish white midrib; nectaries violet red; pollen orange-brown. Lvs alternate, dark green. Stems pale green. July.
Photo Available
Source: RHS Supplement 4
Total bookmarks: 2
LR entry # 4472
So what does that mean?
Ok, I went out and looked at my Casa Blanca and it does indeed have pincers. Here is a picture of it. What I don't have is the original tag that came with it.... I might know where that is, so I'll look for it tomorrow.... I got to go fix supper now...
Diann
OH MY!
Your question: it means that now you look up Jamboree Group to see what that is comprised of and you will see that there is a good dollup of speciosum there!
As to the rest of the gibberish, it details who hybridized it (H), grown to first flower (G), named (N) and introduced it (I). The register is designed to ensure that every person or company that has worked to bring the lily to the public gets credit. It is not always the same person/company for each step of the path!
I bought mine from de Jaegers (where I also got L. gloriosoides) when they had a catalogue and they always seemed to correctly name their plants. Casablanca is a place in Africa which I had assumed it was named after.
A Google for 'Casablanca'.
http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.webhome&query=%27lilium+casablanca%27&cr=&lr=
You guys just made me get a flashlight and go check my casablanca. There is only one bud left and it has small but definetly pincers.
chris
It's also a really great old movie with Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman.....
Wouldn't be the first time I've gone out with a flashlight to check something before I post. Join the crowd, Chris.
Thanks everyone for looking at your CB's. Seems pincers might be a dominant trait in lilies. To quote Bart Simpson: "Coooool". And perhaps another possibly compatible cross with L. speciosum, too.
Sorry to here of your gloriosoides' demise, Wallaby . . . . . or . . . . . .
Could the powerful Amazing Pard have actually replaced it with an inferior clone as she claimed long ago?
Seems hard to believe she could slip by myself (Sherleft), Watson, you and your feline brigade.
Really, Sherleft.... haven't you noticed that Watson is missing in action??
Watson is on a special mission. I cannot divulge anymore.
