I got some cuttings that were in the mail about a week, one is a carnosa, and they usually ship ok, but this one's leaves were all yellow when I opened the package. The stems seem ok though, leaves still pretty firm...The other variety was fine, leaves still fresh and green. I don't know why one looked so good, and the other didn't.
How likely is a cutting to make it when it has gone yellow and is there still a good possibility that it will root? Any suggestions?
I am desperate for this one to live. After unpacking I soaked in superthrive and water for about an hour and then recut the stems, dipped in root hormone and potted up in my usual mix.
Cuttings arrive yellow - bad?
Hi Jen,
Alot of the cuttings I have gotten from David have come pretty yellow - esp. my magnifica. It hasn't ever seemed to hurt them. They all have rooted just fine, and the yellow just slowly filled in with green. It seems like the veins turn green firs, then the rest of the fleshy parts slowly fill in. I have wondered if it isn't higher light that makes them yellow, as the stems have all been healthy, and the leaves firm, just yellow.
May I ask where you ordered from? Did you get them from overseas? What kind of carnosa did you get?
Here is a pic of my cuttings from last fall - October of 2006
Well, they came from overseas, but not from a grower. A dark pink flowered carnosa and australis "Lisa". I thought the australis would be the one to suffer, not the carnosa, but really it is just the yellow leaves, the rest of the cutting looks good. I have been looking for a long time for one with this color flower, so I hope it makes it.
Thanks for the picture, carnosas are pretty tough so I am hoping this one will pull through for me....
I always remove yellowed leaves. should I leave them on? I didn't think they "regreened"
NO they don't always regreen - in fact, when really yellow-yellow, as in a plant that was dry too long, they are yellow for good - but slightly yellow leaves, like Sara was talking about, can green up again. It depends on how and why they are yellow - too much light, lack of certain nutrients, etc.
In the case of mine, I think they are too far gone to green up again, but the cutting itself may make it and eventually send up new green growth - at least I am hopeful it will!
I just leave leaves on ...... if they fall off, they fall off, if they green up, they green up. I guess if they are yellow, and don't fall off, and other, new green growth shows up, I would probably cut them off later just to improve appearance, but basically I leave stuff alone.
My magnifica cuttings this last spring were almost electric yellow, but they are greening up nicely. If I had cut off the leaves, I would have had no leaves, and I always think that is worse.
Everyone has their own way, and that is the way it works......for them! HA! :)
S
Jen...you might try laying the cutting down on the medium...giving maximum exposure to the nodes....
Jen I am so glad you asked this question. I have always removed slightly yellow leaves. Now I will leave them on until they fall off.
Thanks everyone.
Patti
Carol, I will try that with the smaller piece.
I was looking at pictures of a christmas cactus I bought this spring, not the common ones with the points on the segments, but a true christmas cactus...when I bought it, it was a pale lime green, after about 5 or 6 weeks it was a nice normal green, and I lost none of the foliage. With my hoyas I notice that alot of them go thru different shades of green from time to time, depending on light. When you change the amount of light, they darken right up again.
This carnosa cutting is very very yellow, not sure why, I guess it was on it's way to dying, and I don't believe I have ever tried to root anything so obviously yellow. So, I have two pieces rooted vertically but I think I will try Carol's suggestion with one of them. It couldn't hurt.
I should mention, too, that I have had good luck laying them on the medium and just making sure the node area is touching the medium. You don't want to keep it too wet....
Keep us in the loop how it goes, OK?
I will....the australis Lisa is doing great, still looks very healthy. I am pretty excited, this morning I am meeting a few people, both from here and Epiforums, they are coming down from NYC and one is here from Sweden, and we are going to a big nursery in Pennsylvania, they have about 17 hoyas, and NOT the common ones, and alot of rhipsalis and dischidia. So, I will be coming home with a few small plants ( maybe sigillatis!! ) and some cuttings too, and my poor little yellow cutting will have some company.
Bhavana34, where is this nursery in Pa; would appreciate comments, too, when you return.Thanks
Larry
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Larry, it was near Willow Grove outside of Phila - Meadowbrook Farms. Very nice place, I got 2 hanging baskets - 8" I think - of H. sigillatis (hasellti) and H. loheri. They had a few other interesting hoyas, some big, some stock plants that you can buy cuttings from, and numerous 4" pots - off the top of my head: sigillatis, loheri, marlea, latifolia, serpens, weebella, variegated bella, longifolia, imbricata, cinnamomfolia, variegated kerri, meredithii, cummingiana, rigida, and a few more, can't remember them all - not all were available, but could be in the future or he would consider selling cuttings. A nice place with alot of other stuff to see, esp. cacti and succulents.
Prices were fair, but the 4" plants at $15 helped me to justify spending $5 to $15 more on the bigger size, and they also had full blooming serpens plants and good size variegated bella for around $20, give or take a few dollars.
It was very very nice to meet a couple people I have met thru here and thru Epiforums too! We had a good time doing something we all enjoy. I only live about 40 minutes from the place but the rest of us live a few hours away or across the ocean - so I can go back anytime....and I will! I would recommend a trip if you don't have any of the above plants, and even if you do, cause the inventory changes, they get new ones in from time to time.
I forgot to mention, they also had a tsangii, which I took for DS-70, but the longer I looked at it, the less it looked like mine, smaller leaves, smaller flowers, lighter color too but that could have been a lighting issue.
And along with the hoyas, a great selection of dischidia.
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Bhavana34,
Thanks so very much, seem you were very satisfied and happy with your purchases. Would appreciate pictures when you have time. Again, thanks for the information!
Larry 8>))
I would be happy to post a few pics, I need camera batteries though and have no shopping trips planned for today, so give me a few days for that.
Once thing I do not like is the soil these plants are in, very peaty, and I am dying to repot, but I think I will let them get used to the shock of being moved to a new environment first. Unless anyone thinks it would be better to repot now....
Larry (and anyone else interested),
I went on the hoya trip as well, and it was a lot of fun. The tour we got was top of the line...we got to see lots of interesting plants. In addition to what Jen listed, they also had macgillivrayii (with huge buds about to open), pubicalyx, curtisi, and krinkle 8. These were stock plants. For sale, in addition to what Jen listed, they had variegated macrophylla, polyneura, and rigida. They also had some common ones like compacta, variegated compacta, and carnosa KP. I didn't really like the soil the plants were in, so I'm trying to decide if I should repot or not. I will post some pics of what I got. Here is a huge serpens that has hundreds of peduncles (I also posted a close-up of it in the "July Blooms" thread). It was pretty cheap for the size ($25).
Here's H. rigida (with a small peduncle...thanks Jen :))
Here's variegated macrophylla...
ooooo...I like the variegated macrophylla....on my wish list he goes!!!
And lastly, here is H. sigillatis.
The ones in the 4 inch clay pots ranged from $15-20.
yup...that one too.... :)
WOW Gabi, you actually had to think about that purchase?!! I read in the other thread that you were talked into buying it. HA! I am surprised that there wasn't a "hoya stampede" that plant is beautiful.
I saw the pictures that you posted on Garden Web with that huge leaf - looks like you had tons of fun. What else did everyone get? Did Eddie buy any cool plants? Were there eipiphyllums as well, or was it just a hoya trip? I read that Jen got a sigallatis, is it as huge as your serpens? Very exciting. Thanks for letting us live vicariously through you!!
S
Haha...I know, I was crazy for even *thinking* about getting that hoya. I just wasn't sure if I wanted the serpens because I've heard it can be difficult. But I'm so glad I got it! There were only 2 serpens (I think), and luckily only Eddie and I wanted them...so there were no fights! There was a pretty big sigillatis that was in bloom, but it was a stock plant. The one that Jen bought had a few more plants in it than the 4" pots did, but they were already hanging over the basket. I think it was a 6" basket...but Jen could tell you that.
Eddie bought a serpens and a dischidia ovata (I believe). There were epis there but nobody bought any. Eddie was given a few cuttings of some plants, but I don't know what they were. And Millaray (the girl from Sweden) was so nice and brought us each some cuttings. Thanks for looking....wish you could've come on our hoya adventure :)
Gabi
you are right, both the loheri and the sigillatis are 6", I thought they were 8" but I just measured. I will pick up some batteries and take some pictures.
The sigillatis has 4 or 5 plants in it, a little overhang but not that much. It was more than I wanted to spend on one plant, but I have been wanting it for such a long time, so to me it was worth it. The loheri is much fuller, more viney. That sigillatis stock plant was gorgeous!!!
When I go back, I want weebella, rigida, macrophylla, and maybe a few cuttings of the variegated bella. And hopefully that retusa! I don't know if Gabi saw it or not, but there was also an erythrostemma up there on the kerri shelf. Not very attractive looking though.
Gabi, I haven't decided about the soil yet. My instinct is to repot, but I think I will wait to see how long they take to dry out, in separate conditions - the sigillatis is outside, the loheri inside. Plus, after an environment change, might be better to wait a month or so. If I had gotten the smaller 4" I probably would just go ahead and do it, but I don't want to mess too much with the bigger plants. If I were you, I wouldn't be real quick to repot that serpens, being as established as it is. Let me know what you do, though.
Oh, I wasn't even THINKING of repotting that serpens!! I was only thinking of the ones in the clay pots. But if I do repot, it won't be for a while. It might be fine though, since they're in clay pots and that will help to absorb a lot of the moisture. I'll see how they do. I didn't see that erythrostemma...wish I did (even though it was a stock plant anyway). That's on my Liddle order though.
Gabi
Gabi and Jen - thanks for letting us live vicariously through your trip - sounds like it was fun and fruitful!! Wish we had a nursery around here that sold hoyas!
Karen
Gabi, if you go to www.rare-hoyas.com, down towards the bottom in a group of 6 pictures, there is a latifolia that looks like your new one... and I think that Ted Green is who John gets most of the hoyas from - now whether it is labeled wrong or not, looks like Mbrook is going with the Ted Green ID. I wonder if var. macrophylla is similar, or if they are the same....does anyone know?
Well, I just got a latifolia from a great pal, and it looks nothing like macrophylla (or var. macrophylla). Here is the picture of one of the latifolia leaves from the plant I was given. I'm sure others can chime in on macrophylla vs. latifolia.
By the way, I can't get into that link you sent me Jen. I don't know why...maybe it's my computer.
No, doesn't look anything like it - try just typing into a search engine www.rare-hoyas.com instead of using the link and you should get the online catalog, the picture is in a group of 6.
I was admiring my new sigillatis a little while ago when I got home from school, and noticed 2 fungus gnats. Yuk. I hope that soil dries out quick. What else did you get with the latifolia? Love the leaves. I am going to have to get some more big ones....
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PS - I tried the link and it worked....
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Yeah, I just love those big leaved hoyas. I also got linearis along with the latifolia...it's so dainty. I will take a look at the link...thanks (by the way, it might have been the comma insertion at the end of the first link that was causing it not to work). But I'm pretty convinced that it's var. macrophylla. That really stinks that you have fungus gnats. Now I'm starting to really think that repotting those smaller plants might be a good idea.
Did you get linearis cuttings or a plant? I have a pretty big one, stems about 4 feet long. I keep it in the brightest spot I have, and water it the minute it gets dry, it is one of those plants where there is a very fine line between too much and not enough, but since i have heard alot of people lose them to overwatering, I am careful with the water, and just check it constantly.(every day)
I got a small cocktail fork and scraped away the top half inch of the soil around the sigillatis plants, both to get rid of any fungus gnat eggs, moss spores and any larvae from the gnats that might be lurking around in there. I am not going to repot right away, but I think I am going to have to eventually. Just the lack of enough perlite alone makes me nervous. It has been almost 3 days and the soil is still pretty wet. The loheri I left alone, too much going on at soil level, plus it looks more established and very healthy/happy. When they dry out a little, I may pop them out of the pots and replace about a third or half of the soil, disturbing the roots as little as possible. That should help. Altogether though, I am pretty happy!
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I got about 5 or 6 nice sized cuttings. I just hope they root! Thanks for the watering tips...I'll have to do a little research on it once I get it rooted.
My plants have been drying out (the ones in the clay pots), so I think they should be fine for a while. They get a lot of sun, and the clay pots help also. So we'll see what happens.
Wow, what a steal! I only wish we had nurseries with exotic hoyas here in San Francisco...all I've been able to find are the carnosa varieties. Does this nursery in PA have a website? Curious.
Julia
Gabby-Jen - Ted Green (rare-hoyas.com) has a different interpretation of H. latifollia. To match what Gabby has, he calls H. loyceandrewsiana and David Liddle's clone is IML 88. As you have probably figured out...nearly all hoyas have at least more than one name... I go along with David Liddle's determination (which is neither here nor there). I actually like H. aff. latifolia more as the leaf is dropdead gorgeous!!!
Thanks Carol.
The person that gave me the latifolia (or should I say aff. latifolia?) had planted just 2 single leaves in the pot with no stems attached, and there is already new growth on one leaf so far. It shot out a branch that is now growing a few leaves, and the branch is over 1 foot long. Very interesting! If you look in the above pic I posted of one of the leaves, you can see part of that new branch (right in front of the leaf).
Julia, Meadowbrook does have a website. I don't think they have any online ordering if that's what you meant. Here's the site: http://www.meadowbrookfarm.org/index.html
Gabi
Gabi, the linearis cuttings you got are from cuttings Eddie got from me....so that means that my linearis will be your linearis's grandma. That makes us practically family.
I found a close up picture of loheri flowers, they are not like kentiana, they are "orangier", possibly bigger, and the center of the flower points, kinda like little orange pyramids.
Dang! The Australis Lisa cutting is down to one tiny stem, probably not even an inch long, 2 nodes - the top one has the last two leaves. I repotted it up to just below the top leaves, but I am not hopeful. I also think the verticillata is a goner, the leaves are both gone, the stem has turned dark brown. Not mushy, but very dark. Thomsonii was never more than a vine to begin with, and I keep clipping it back as it gets soft at the end.
The only one still chugging along is the yellowed carnosa. I guess I will be happy if that one makes it, but am very dissappointed about the others. Especially the Lisa, because it was the one I thought would be fine. This morning all of the sudden it kind of collapsed, and I noticed there had been a little crease in the stem, probably had been there all along, it was shipped to me in an envelope which I am sure was handled roughly at more than one point on such a long trip.
Sounds, Jen, like the cuttings were youngish wood...try keeping them drier more than damper....sometimes threatening them will jolt them out of laziness!!!
Carol