What cultivar is this mg?

I am not sure what this is? Is it Pink Tie Dye?

This is the only photo I was able to get of it.

beckygardener - The photo you posted looks like a flaked(or possibly blizzard) pattern Ipomoea nil that comes out of a 'shibori mix'...and it usually produces a different pattern than the regular tie dye...the Ipomoea nil shibori usually has more solid bands with fewer white dots and dashes as usually seen on the other blizzard patterns...

The pattern on your plant looks similar to the Flying Saucers as seen here
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/9747/
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/145442/

The Pink Tie Dye in the PlantFiles is here
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/45277/

TTY,...

Ron

Beckygardener,

After viewing your posted flower, several types come to mind but when looking at the leaf pattern that`s a whole different story. I`m growing several plants from Japanese shibori mix pack and non have leaves like the ones in your posted picture.

There`s a Japanese MG called Asahi and that`s the one that I favor it to be based on the flower and the leaf structure. The flower patterns will vary but will show simularities and the leaf will be consistant unless it`s a mutant or something. But to tell you the truth it`s very difficult to ID these species from a one digital picture. I`ve tested that theory here on dave`s and the so called experts failed again and again.

Dee

Thanks Ron and Dee! I will take more photos when I get additional blooms and post them here for you to better see. (I hope.) I agree with you Dee about the digital camera accuracy. The colors in the digital pictures don't always seem to be what I see with my eyes.

Becky, hope you don't mind if I ask and ID question on your thread?

This is a native vine that grows all over this town>

And it does better in part day sun or bright shade than in full sun>

It has flowered more this year, with the drought, than in any other year I can remember. A close up.

Dee - the photo that beckygardener posted does indeed look like the image on the asahi packet(!),but very often the pictorial on the packets does not match the actual flowers that are produced...even if a very few asahi flowers look like the pictorial >if only a small percentage of flowers produced are what is displayed on the package >then the advertising pictorial is not accurately portraying the plant...

The cumulative experience of the various MG forum participants has shown that marketing pictorials and/or photos cannot be relied upon for accuracy...regardless of source...

If anyone(!) can supply and guarentee asahi that consistently looks like what is shown as per the marketing pictorial that would be a noteworthy achievment and I think alot of people would be very interested in any such seeds...

The species of plants is actually usually much easier to identify when clear photos of relevant taxanomic features are available because of virtual written in stone taxanomic rules and usually far fewer important IDentity variables...
the degree of variables of the corollas within intraspecific cultivars realistically has a high degree of overlapping features as per corolla pattern and as such I agree that photos showing features (which could be present or show up) in a very large number of cultivars are indeed difficult to identify from a few images due to the amount of overlap...

Posting cotyledon photos of highly bred cultivars and expecting anyone to identify the exact cultivar(!) from a cotyledon photo may be expecting a 'bit much'...although identifying the species from a cotyledon photo would usually be easier to ascertain than the exact cultivar...

Kyushu has a large number of cotyledon photos published and I think that is great for reference...but I honestly doubt that many(if anyone in this world) could consistently identify all cultivars from cotyledon photos alone...


dale_a_gardener - the species you have there is Ipomoea cairica...

Ipomoea cairica very often evidences a high degree of self-infertility due to many plants being very clonal,but it will produce seeds if compatible pollen from another Ipomoea cairica plant is available for cross pollination and resultant fertilization...

Enjoy,...

Ron

This message was edited Jun 4, 2007 9:20 PM

Ron, my response to beckygardener posted picture was not based on a marketing pictorial. In fact I purchased Asahi seeds from a Japanese auction site and currently have some growing. That`s one of the reason why I`m growing 300 plus JMG to document for accuracy.

Many of the various MG forum participants and even you to have mistaken in identifying some of the Japanese morning glory. But maybe that`s what the cultivars are being called in USA so I can`t argue.

One advantage that I have is being able to contact people direct who is an expert on the subject of JMG. With the help of some of my friends we are organizing a morning glory show at the local Mie University next month. It has never been done before and Mie University welcome the idea with open arms. Our hope is that some prominent guess will attend and not to mention what this is going to do for me here.

This site is useful but there is so much inconsistency regarding the JMG names, cultivars, ect... and you and a few other MG forum participants have made that fact known. My hats off to you for what you are doing here. TTYL.

Dee

Dee - Thank you for your response...

Yes,I'm certainly much more aquainted with being able to identify the Internationally accepted taxanomic scientific binomial...especially when important ID structures such as sepals are available for reference...

Here is the PlantFiles search page result for all Ipomoea nil sorted by cultivar
http://davesgarden.com/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=Ipomoea+&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=nil&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=cultivar&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

Here is the PlantFile search page result for Ipomoea purpurea sorted by cultivar
http://davesgarden.com/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=Ipomoea+&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=purpurea&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=cultivar&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

There are a few scattered innaccuracies regarding the correct species epithet that I've been working on trying to get corrected...

Kyushu and some other serious sites in Japan most certainly have much more experience with Japanese cultivars than I do...although as I've mentioned previously in another thread these same sites also have scattered inaccuracies as per the species identities...despite whatever Phd's and other professionally trained persons are working on the information...this aspect is puzzling to me...perhaps the 'puzzles' reflect the different amounts of time and experience spent focusing on different aspects of these plants...

Dr.Yoneda previously asserted that Ipomoea nil originated in Asia...after collaborating with Prof.Daniel Austin he recanted an updated his site to reflect that DNA studies prove that Ipomoea nil originated in South America...Dr.Yoneda also subsequently mostly refrained from using the term pharbitis to refer to the currently International accepted scientific term for the genus which is Ipomoea...

There is inconsistent information present on japanese sites regarding correct taxanomic placement and cultivar inconsistencies are also encountered...even japanese experts may disagree...in cases where inconsistencies are noted >then whatever rational tools the entire community has available to arrive at a determination should be employed...exact determinations may not always be possible >so preventing false 'definitive' conclusions is an aspect that we should all be conscious of...

I always look forward to sharing and mutual learning between cultures and the mutual exchange of information regarding definitive specifics of taxanomic placement and cultivars will surely be to everyones benefit...

TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Jun 5, 2007 3:36 PM

Dale - Your native MG is gorgeous! Love that color of lavender! WOW! Being a native, does your vine seem rather invasive in nature or is it an annual/seasonal? Does it produce seeds? If so, I'd sure love to get some from you in a trade. D-mail me and LMK, please. I have a tree that I would love for it to twine around. Those flowers would look really nice with the Blue Wonder ground covering flowers at the base of this Oak tree. (In case you haven't figured it out .... I love lavender and purple colors! lol)

Becky (and other interested parties) - I will collect seed. The vine blooms thru summer/warm months, but, usually seed isn't ripe until Aug and later. I will post the photos and offer of seeds when I can.

Something different, this is not a MG>

Thanks, Dale! I would love to get a few seeds from that Lavender native MG! What's the flowering plants in the above post?

Y'all are educating me on MGs, but I can tell that I have so much more to learn.

Ron - You know MGs! I'm impressed!!!

Dee - 300 MG cultivars! WOW! I'd love to see some photos!