Interesting color of MG bloom

I got these seeds in a trade. It is a cross between Henka-asagao blue and Rose Silk.

Is this one of yours EmmaGrace?

THat is a nice one..

I really like it. The color makes it look delicate like a porcelain figurine. Karen

Thanks Gourd and Karen!

Karen - Your description is exactly what I thought when I looked at this first bloom. lt looked to me like pale pink porcelain!

Real Nice!!

Pink Porcelain it is! - Arlan

I would love to begin a thread with Emma's original Henka and then for all of us who have grown out descendents to post pics beneath in that thread. If we could give any history of which crossed with which in which generation of our pics, that would be great, too. I know I would be able to contribute to that, as well as to Karen's grow-out thread on Ukigumo.

Is anyone else growing out offspring of anything out of curiosity?

I would love to see all of them and see who favors who just like looking into a family album. This kind of thing is just plain fun to me!

I was thinking porcelain and silk .. it certainly has the shimmer of silk. Really Pretty!

X

Thanks! I think it is really lovely too and so different than all the other MGs in my garden currently. It will be interesting to see what the other flowers look like on this vine.

I do not know what generation the seeds were. But I believe they were originally from EmmaGrace. (Though I did NOT get them from her but from another DGer here who trades with her.) I could be wrong. I will d-mail the person I received them from and inquire.

A thread showing crosses and family trees would be a cool thread indeed! Someone please start such a thread! :-)

I was thinking centering each thread around a parent crucial to whatever offspring came from it.

Well, my seeds are now just in the cotyledon stage, so it'll be a while until I can contribute. If I (or anyone else) find EmmaGrace's pic of the original Henka she worked with, then that thread will be off. Karen already has the Ukigumo started. But for now, I'll start a Henka file in my favorites and start collecting relevant threads - starting with this one.

There are so many MGs I'd love to see this done with, too - thanks for your interest.

Karen

PS - Here's Gardener2005's Ukigumo x Youjiro thread for future reference: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/723247/

This message was edited May 27, 2007 12:09 PM

Becky,

Those are from Emma's stock. I think I sent you some a while back that I'd gotten from her. Glad to see they are doing so well. Such a lovely blossom!!!

~ Cat

Here's a photo of the second bloom on this mg vine. Flowers seem to be consistent so far. I really like the bloom color and look. EmmaGrace did good! :-) Anyone heard from her lately? I would love her to see this vine and the other Plum Tie Dye vine.

Here's a side view.

Here is a flower today from the same plant. It doesn't have the silky, shimmery look and the color looks more "blocked" or striped. Odd that it now looks like that. Is that common when there is a cross like that?

beckygardener - Nice(!) flower...the blocked sections appear most usually on something carrying the flecked gene,but can also appear less commonly on blizzards...

Hopefully the blocked sections will be carried over into the next generations as it provides a nice contrast between the colors and looks interesting...

TTY,...

Ron

You can see tiny streaks in the first flowers. It is a progressing blizzard pattern beginning with tiny streaks to larger streaks. This seems to be dominant in crosses I have done. With your flower being a result of previous crosses there is a chance you will see a lot just like this one from the seeds and also there could be a chance of seeing solid color flowers depending on what the flower has inherited from the parents.

This bloom reminds me of this cultivar, Miko Mai...PHOTO CREDIT KOMERI

I got 3 seeds but none have germinated...I was really disappointed!

flecked
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/asagao/yoneda_db/e/PCD2523/htmls/76.html

Flower variegation of attached photo
(A) a-3flecked; (B) speckled; (C) aflaked [aflaked/aflaked]; (D) aflaked [A/aflaked]

Noteworthy is when the respective genes are present in the homozygous state with 2 recessives as in photo C and when there is a state with a flaked gene that is recessive and dominant as in photo D

What happens if one of the several blizzard genes (dominant and/or recessive) is combined with a flaked and/or flecked gene with various degrees of dominance and recessiveness..(?!)...

Does anybody really know(?!)...

TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Jun 5, 2007 4:01 PM

Beth and Ron - Thanks for explaining the various possibilities. I will be watching to see what the next bloom will look like. I will post a photo here. I have not been hand pollinating them because only one flower blooms at a time. I would love to get more like this one. This vine is very slow growing compared to all the other mg vines that I am growing currently.

beckygardener,

If you are growing other nils and not tying the blooms it is likely bees will cross it with others. It probably is already selfing but bees can mix in pollen from other flowers and some of the seeds will be mixed. Selfing nils does them no harm.

What happens as far as the way the flower looks depends on exactly which genes the flower inherits and the way they interact. The only way us hobbyist gardeners can find out for sure is to grow out the new seeds. :)

Karen

Karen - When you talk about "tying" .... do you mean tying something over the bloom so bees and other insects can't get to them? I'm a newbie to all of this! EmmaGrace explained most of it to me, but I am a visual person and reading some things doesn't always seem crystal clear to me. Is there a website or thread that would have more info about this (with photos of course!). Thanks so much for the info! I am constantly learning new stuff here on this forum about MGs!

Ohhh Becky... : ) The 1st picture up there ^ is beautiful. I agree with X, it looks like porcelain and silk. Save some seeds. It's very very pretty. : )

~Lucy

This is a photo of today's bloom. It looks more aflaked. Does it look more like tie dye or Blizzard?

Here's a side view.

This is a really pretty bloom, but I was a bit disappointed because I loved the first 2 blooms and was hoping the blooms would stay stable and consistent.

This message was edited Jun 6, 2007 10:15 AM

The color is much more pink and less of a pale shimmery pink. I'm disappointed. Looking at this Ron or Karen, what do you think the next bloom will look like. Is this new bloom now going to be the dominate bloom pattern and color?

Well heck, I was hoping it would have stayed like the first 2 also.
Dumb question probably....if you save the seed from the 1st bloom, could it produce more of the color it was?

BlueGlancer - I don't know. I will be saving seeds no matter what and growing them out in the Fall or perhaps sooner. So I'll see what I get with those seeds. So interesting to have so many different blooms on one plant. I'm curious to see what the next bloom will look like. I have a feeling it will look more like today's bloom.

This message was edited Jun 7, 2007 7:35 AM

I`m going to do some bagging and also tying this evening or tomorrow evening. I`ll bring my camera along and photograph the process from start to finish the next morning.

There are two ways I will show this:

1. Selfing

2. Crossing

Two possible methods are tying and bagging with bagging proably being the best way.

Be looking out for the new thread artificial pollination of morning glories.

Some of these flowers will show several patterns at one time and each pattern will follw a certain progression (or lack of progression) from bloom to bloom. Yours may have a ray pattern or silk shading being covered by blizzard genes one or several. When you save selfed seeds off the same kinds of plants your grow out of seedlings will tell a lot about what all is in there as far as genes.

Great, I do better with pictures. : )

~Lucy

Thanks gardener2005 - I will definitely look for your new thread on artifical pollinating MGs. I appreciate the visual help in photos, too! Thanks!!!

beckygardener - The latest series of photos indicate a blizzard pattern and I agree with what Karen offered as far as how these type of patterns may progress...

The interaction of the several blizzard genes is still not something that is explicitly understood...although I'd venture to say that it is more common for a plant to become progressively lighter in color...

Flower Color Patterns
http://taxa.soken.ac.jp/Asagao/E/species/flower_pattern.html

TTY,...

Ron

Thanks, Ron! That link is really helpful. That explains a lot about the flower combos! As a newbie to MGs, I still know very little. But I so enjoy these plants! The flowers are just amazing along with the endless color/pattern variations!

I look forward to learning from gardener2005's new thread on tying and hand pollinating. I will certainly try that with my vines!

Well, here is today's bloom. It seems to be holding on to the Blizzard gene.

Good news!!! Here is a photo I took this morning. I thought that was weird looking to see these 2 blooms together like that. So I looked very closely at the plant and what do ya know..... it's 2 separate plants. Seems they were seeded right next to each other and one climbed up the other making it look like one plant. lol

So it now looks like I still have the pale pink blooms on one vine and the brighter pink blizzard on the other vine! What a surprise!!! lol I'm doing the Snoopy Dance!!!