I`m curious about this JMG (What kind is this?)

Here is a large flowered blue with white throat and cordate shaped leaves that has come back true from a hand pollinated pod. I`m curious about what kind this may be.

And another kind has a dark blue flower and white throat but the leaves are different. This one came back the same as well.

This message was edited May 11, 2007 2:33 PM

Does it resemble Hatsu Arashi?

Both are very attractive, especially the deep blue of the second!

Because there is no standard, nor true definitions of varietal names in JMGs, how can we be sure? With the lack of a standard, what is one to select to, other than possibly hearsay information or your own fancy? This is not a new topic!...

One way would be to use descriptive identifiers ....something along the lines of.. Green variegated cordate leaf blue white throat large flower..for the first one....but then that becomes a mouthfull, not conveniently used, and many different looking plants can fit the description.... then the issues come up of definitions of these terms! That task may be easier than sorting out the varietal nomenclature mess...

Using a descriptive system would allow most to at least to describe what they want in their garden and go find it. Does it really matter that it has a name?....except to marketers who have proven to be unfaithful to varietal names anyway.. I feel that we as hobbyist are reduced to descriptions anyway, because you enjoy what you have in your garden and know that you... aquired it as "Heian Umi"....but your plant is a different shade flower, has yellow leaves, or has a cordate leaf instead of a cicada leaf... If we call them what they are...we're done!

...boy, that got a lot longer than what I was expecting! I really just wanted to say that I really like that second flower!

Arlan

Looks like Hatsu Arashi.I grew these last year.

I know they are "something". I know for sure the second one is Akatsuki something. The second is something I forgot the name but I liked it and maintained it by hand pollination.

I would hate to deprive them of their heritage.

As far as Hatsu Arashi,I`m growing that and it looks like this. It smaller that the above flowers,more rounded in shape and the leaves are solid green and dragonfly shaped. The flower is darker in person. My camera does not do this one the justice it deserves in depth and richness of color.

This message was edited May 11, 2007 2:47 PM

Hi Karen,

The second flower Akatuski Umi comes to mind. They will produce large 4-6 inch dark blue blooms with the white throats and variegated leaves. I'm growing some and is waiting for them to bloom.

I've never grew Hatsu Arashi and have no comment on it but there's also a Giant Blue Japanese MG that has a darker shade blue pattern in the center of the flower. I'll locate a picture and post it. "great looking flowers"

Dee

I agree with Dee, your gorgeous Blue looks like Akatuski Umi.
AND, also looks like Berlin Blue.
AND, also looks like Hatsu Arashi.

Skimper, Hatsu Arashi does not have Variegated Leaves, but the blooms do look very similar to Karen's Bloom that does have Variegated Leaves.

Akatsuki Umi aka: Akatsuki no Umi and Berlin Blue both have Variegated Leaves, and Hatsu Arashi DOES NOT.

Here is Ron's information about these three MGs
along with photos showing all three side by side and I can not tell the difference:



Here again is the flower and leaf shape comparison of 3 very similar looking cultivars

They are from the left: Hatsu Arashi,Akatsuki No Umi,and 'Berlin Blue'...frontal view showing corolla characteristics and accompanying leaf shapes
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1681054

rear view of the same flowers as above (in reverse order from the frontal view) showing differences in the characteristics of the sepals... are from the left 'Berlin Blue',"Akatsuki no Umi" and "Hatsu Arashi"
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1731386



Also, will be interesting to see the photo that Dee has of the Giant Blue JMG to compare.

Emma

Thanks Emma and your explaination is a work of beauty.

Karen I'm not sure if your other flower looks anything like the one I'm posting. This is one from the Giant Flower Mix pack. They will produce large solids and blizzard types but the blue ones will have the faded outer blue with a darker center pattern that looks like it's busting out. These are some of the seeds that I recently just mailed to you and a few other members. TTYL.

Dee

Dee,

THAT IS AN AWESOME BLOOM. . .I LOVE IT!

I have had many blooms that look similar, but in the color Purple.
The Blue is just stunning and hope I am lucky to get a bloom like that from your seeds.

Emma

Thanks!Emma for the information on the Hatsu Arashi.
MGJapan your puple m.glory is pretty! I enjoy! all the MG photos.

Emma, Thanks so much for the information. Based on what I`m seeing here from the pictures my Hatsu Arashi is pretty much fitting the bill. I love the leaves on this one.

I believe I do have Akatuski Umi because I already knew it was a true Akatsuki "something" and I forgot the second part of the name. So Akatsuki Umi it is.

Dee, That picture is georgeous!!! Wow!!! What an impressive flower!

It does look similar to the first picture I posted exept for my leaves are different being variegated heart shaped or cordate. I will continue to grow this one because I like the leaves and the flower. I`m hesitant to "name" it because it might be a Japanese cultivar. I think I will call it large flowered blue/variegated cordate leaf for now.

Karen- compare the flower,the leaves and the sepals to the links that Emma posted...

Which one does it most closely match(?)...

Post photos of the leaves and sepals(!)...

TTY,...

Ron

Ok, I`ll see if I can get a close up specimen shot of this one tomorrow or next day for sure. I`ll try and get a comparison of all three. The leaves on this one have the more pronounced "ears" at the top than the Berlin blue. So I`m leaning toward the Akatsuki Umi. I will go ahead with the pictures for documentation.

This message was edited May 12, 2007 2:35 PM

Here is the comparison. Hatsu arashi is on the left and the one I believe to be Akatsuki Umi is on the right. The bloom is larger and fuller on the Akatsuki Umi than the Hatsu Arashi. I thought this might be interesting to share.

Great comparison, Karen . . .
Thanks for sharing,
Emma