What will I get???

This is what the package said the seeds were:

ipomoea yojiro x ukijumo
+ yojiro x yoji t. Fuji

What kind of flower am I going to get do you think? I hope I spelled it right because it was hard to be sure of some of the letters.

I predict at least one stripe on the corolla...where did you get 'em from?

Joseph

It sounds like it should be possibilities of spoked and some blizzard flowers. Since it is a cross there are many unpredictable possibilities and outcomes of growing them out.

This one is:

youjiro blue x ukigumo

Now I`m growing the F2s and so far a lot of solid green,a few variegated leaf and a few yellow/green leaf. The flowers are going to take more time. They will look a lot like the original cross but some solid color, ray pattern and possibly blizzard patterns will show up. It could be anything.



This message was edited May 1, 2007 4:26 PM

those are nice

Lovely blues, great picture too.

Thanks! What you see here is a first generation cross. Now what we can`t predict is results of 2nd generation. A majority will show the dominant blizzard and white ray pattern but there are some recessives in there like light yellow/green leaves,variegation and a shape to the edge of the flower seen in one of the parents. These traits will show in lesser numbers so I have to grow a lot to increase chances of finding what all can happen.


makshi,I hope his helps answer your question. The only way to know for sure is grow them out.

This message was edited May 2, 2007 10:48 AM

I am going to grow them if all goes well. Can't wait to see how pretty they are. I have others I am growing also.

those are really gorgeous, hope you get some neat blooms there.
A.

I got the first result of the F2 ukigumox youjiro

This one has the combination of the picotee white edge and the curvy edge(the curvy shape of the edge does not mean picotee..picotee refers to a different color around the edge like Ron says.) and ray white of youjiro. It is purple with a fuschia throat and it has a sheen to it and there are what appears to be blizzard spots that could develop more with the next blooms.

There are 2 dozen or so other plants in this grow out too. I`d like to see the picotee white edge color and curvy edge(picotee does not refer to the shape of the edge) you see in the picture shape with the blue blizzard like the ukigumo. I`m going to pick through them and see if I can find something nice enough to do selfed pods and grow some more. You never know until you try.




This message was edited May 6, 2007 11:32 AM

Hi Karen,

I noticed that you're referring to the kikyo star shaped flower as 'the picotee shape'...

"I`d like to see the picotee shape"...

The star shaped flowers were discussed to a limited degree in the post here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=3402998

The kikyo are marketed using a western type name i.e., blue (or red) picotee,but I think it's a mistake to use the term picotee(which actually refers to a coloration feature on many different flowers with the white edge) to refer to the star shape which is usually referred to as kikyo...kikyo is the Japanese term that refers to a bellflower of the Platycodon genus which is star shaped or to a flower e.g. an asagao which is star shaped like a bellflower...

Just thought I'd make a suggestion before too many people start equating the coloration feature as tantamount to a particular shape...

TTY,...

Ron

To be more clear, there are no kikyo star shaped flowers involved in this cross. I used a youjiro combined with a large flowered variety named Ukigumo.

I`m refering to the color and the curvy shape to the edge of the flower. I edited to make the correction per Ron`s instructions.

.1 I want the white around the edge(picotee)

.2 I want the curvy edge seen the in the picture which is a different trait than the white picotee edge. I`m not yet sure if the white around the edge will show seperate from the ray white. That is why I`m experimenting this way.

.3 I want the blizzard pattern too.

.4 Time will tell if it happens or not.

I`m learning as I go and I do appreciate you Ron for instructing me so that I keep the terms correct. :)







This message was edited May 6, 2007 11:40 AM

Well,here is a update. Out of this growout I got some vines that were light yellow/green solid and here is still another result. You see how these are blooming some looking more like one parent and some looking more like the other parent. This one favors the ukigumo grandparent but retains some of the desirable youjiro traits. Now this is only the beginning. I will have to tie blooms and get selfed pods,then for a few generations I`ll be weeding out possible variegated leaves,solid blooms and any plants not showing desired traits. It will take time and patience.

In this growout here were all these blue youjiro blooms and I was wondering..where did the blizzard go? Here is another picture for example.

And then one morning I find this and marvel how different it looks from the others.

Karen - This one looks really cool...like a light Fuji no AO,but with some dilution near the primary folds...almost 'flaked'...

save me a few seeds from that one...


TTY,...

Ron

Hi Ron, I`m not ready to share seeds from this one yet. I need all the selfed seeds from this I can get to do the growouts and selections toward reaching my goals for now. But later on after I get something going I`d be happy to share.

You know this one has the ukigumo color,and light yellow/green foilage but retains the youjiro smaller size bloom,solid leaf color and vining habits. Now the next step is to tie the blooms and then grow out selfed pods of this one. Then I`ll probably be seeing more stuff going on like possibly solid blizzard, white throats, variegated leaves, and l`ll have to pick through those to get the white rayed blizzard with yellow/green solid leaves. It will take until some time and going on into next year to have plants that will come out pretty much blue blizzard youjiro given the occasional mutant or rogue that can either be saved because it`s cool or weeded out.

This has been a fun experiement!

Another result...blizzard without the rays.

Another interesting shadings. Darn bugs....

And another blue blizzard youjiro with plain yellow/green leaves. I wonder if this one follows the blizzard pattern of the ukigumo with some going almost white. Time will tell.

The possibilities are numerous...and there are more yet to bloom.

Karen

This message was edited May 13, 2007 9:26 PM

Karen,

this one is absolutely mesmerizing!

http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3486566

Joseph

Karen,

You are having some fun now!! I have not seen one yet that I dislike! I want to make sure I understand where you are in your process....

Is the picture here, http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=3452048 of the original F1, and the growout that you are sharing now, the F2?

Arlan

Hi Arlan, Yes that is right. I`m sharing the results of the F2 seeds I gathered last fall. I`m so surprised at how different they all look! The one Gerris2 likes reminds me of stained glass. I`m fixing up a hybridizer kit full of little tags,yarn and permanent marker. The marking of vines has begun.

I`m thinking of crossing two of these to try and get the blizzard/youjiro combination along with the curvy edge. Then another growout hoping for the best. But that requires some planning ahead big time. Two flowers have to be ready on the same day and both have to be prepared the evening before. So it is a wait and watch kind of thing.

I wonder if you could save pollen in anticipation of the other parent flower.... - Arlan

I could certainly try that. If it is necessary I`ll tie a bloom the evening before and collect it the next morning and freeze it. Then when my pod parent bloomed I could use the frozen pollen and then report back if the pod took using that method. Karen

My thread sure turned technical.

I`ll start another thread on the F2 grow out later on.

makshi, I hope you enjoy your grow out. Have fun. :)

Gardener it is okay that you are showing what you get. I was just wondering if I could get anyone of these.

Yes, you could. The only way to know for sure is to grow them out. You will probably get a lot of white rayed flowers and maybe or maybe not a few with the blizzard markings.

Karen, sometimes, when someone posts asking for MG seeds, I'll send them some - both from what I've grown as well as from trades; and I try to include a few seeds from I. purpurea, I. nil & I. yojiro so they can see for themselves how some features of the parents mingle in the offspring...and then from there perhaps get into the genetics (Makshi, if I forgot, here's a great site that goes into that: http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/menu.html )

Anyhoo, Gardener2005, I hope this was all right - I shared some of your seeds with Makshi. What would really be great would be if those of us with digital cameras could post pics of MGs that we grow in threads with their parents. So, Makshi would - hopefully - post pics of her flowers in a thread by Gardener2005 of the parents from which they came. Wonderful if we could do the same with Emma's flowers, too. This would also help where the originator of a generation either didn't have room to grow all of it out personally or where the originator was curious about how a given MG would respond to different growing conditions around the globe (as Ron as doing).

Am not feeling too well right now, so couldn't read all of foregoing thread - hope I haven't brought further confusion.

Hey Bluespiral, I admire your generosity. I`m honored that you thought my seeds were nice enough to trade them. BTW, One single sprout came from the Dahlia seeds. I`m unsure why only one sprouted but the one that sprouted is growing into a healthy plant.

Your idea of doing shared growouts is a good one. The initial crossed parent could be posted at the beginning of the thread and then the offspring shared pretty much as they bloom out.

It depends on the groups interest in the workings of genetics and finding out "what happens if..."

A person doing a F2 growout must be prepared for disappointment..or complete wonder of how cool these flowers can look. You get a mixed bunch with lots of so so and many looking rather all too similar to one or the other parent. You have to pick through them. Then that day comes you step outside and your eyes pop open to see something totally unexpected and you experience the thrill of something beautiful you haven`t seen before. And that is only the beginning. :)

I`m sure something will come up. It doesn`t necessarily have to be a selected cross. Maybe,someone could find a very interesting plant and gather all the seeds they can find and devide them out to the group to do a grow out and then as results come in the thread would unfold.

Just some thoughts. :)

Karen

I will be thrilled to show pics. if they do well. I only had two seeds and now have two plants in the house under lights. I am afraid to put them out for fear they will die. Biting my nails not knowing what to do.

makashi,
You should 'Harden Off' your plants to prevent them from going into shock, then they will be ready to plant outside
http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4dmg/Garden/harden.htm

Hope this helps,
Emma

I`m going to start a thread on the ukigumo x youjiro results. So far it looks like half the flowers look very much like one of the parents and the other half is getting to be a mixed batch of different colors.

Great idea, Karen -
That will be a treat to keep up with.
Emma