mickey - i want dwarf watermelon! there was a shrub of one here in town. it used to be mine but i sold it to a co-worker. well, the deep freeze took it down to the ground. i should have got a cutting last year. it is an absolute good bloomer for arizona.
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Dete,
Didn't Cagin say he has some for sale?
Mickey
Mickey, no it was Brad of Brad's Buds and Blooms: http://bradsbudsandblooms.com/ He said he would put them on ebay in a month or so and then on his web site, I believe.
Dete and Clare,
Check Shane Robichaux at Plumeriaaddiction.com I'm sure he said he is bringing some new oz stuff and dwarf water mellon was one of them.
Mickey
thanks mickey!
Mickey, I personally cannot recommend that seller because he does not see his plants bloom before he ships them out. I think that is not a good business practice because it allows mistakes to be made and then sold. I've had things bloom that weren't what they were supposed to be, and after you have paid a high price for something and that happens, it is quite a disappointment.
it sounds like he's getting the cutting from someone else. i wouldn't expect someone to wait for stock that they bought from someone to bloom before they sold it. that said, they need to make sure that their source is reliable. thanks for the heads-up.
Dete, I believe he imports all his plumerias from Thailand. Dwarf Watermelon is an Australian cultivar, but it is plentiful in Thailand, I believe. I do not know who Shane has as his source.
I believe Brad does, in fact, wait for his plumerias to bloom before he sells so that there are no mistakes. I really admire him for doing that. I think it is inevitable that there will be mistakes when dealing with imported plumerias. Just last summer, I arranged a trade between my friend Kukiat and a friend here in Florida. The Englewood that was sent from Florida turned out to be California Sally when it bloomed for Kukiat! I was devastated when I learned of that mistake, and now all the other ones in the trade are suspect. So it is not just other people in other countries that make mistakes, and sometimes they are mistakes, and sometimes they are intentional mistakes.
well, looks like we're gonna be waiting longer on the dw's from brad. bummer!
LOL, Dete -- probably not that much longer;-)
Hello friends...
Clare is so right about selling plumies before you can see the blooms..
As far as Cajun is concern most of all his thai plumies comes from my friend!!
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZ123yaowalukQQhtZ-1
If you want any of the thai varieties that are currently on the market from Cajun and many other sellers out there you may want to visit my good friend site first on ebay...
Not only will you get them cheaper but more advance in the growth stage..
All plumies will bloom true as advertise and this is backed by me as i have everyone one of them and can vouch they are true 100% or your money back!!
All the plumies are stock in the USA and are currently in the active growth stage!
I can not vouch for the resellers plumies that are being currently sold on ebay..
On the super rare varieties they will not be release to resellers for wholesale but are only available on my friends site..
Thanks, Robert, for letting us know that is your friend. By the way, that 'GledTubTim' looks a bit like 'Elsie,' doesn't it? I can tell you without a doubt that the 'Teresa Wilder' that they are selling is not 'Teresa Wilder.' They have an interesting selection there!
I am not dissing' anyone, but when I see Grainy Moragne and Mango Blush being sold as Mango Brush and Grainy Rorang, I have to chuckle a bit. Some of these Thai sellers are selling US varieties under different names--likewise, some US sellers find Thai varieties and then name them, claiming that they are their own seedlings. LOL . Anyway, that aside, others of us out here also have friends in Thailand whom we trust and know. One of mine just sent me a book he published this year on plumies in Bangkok and he knows his subject. I won't name one of my sources but let us say one popular Thai variety is named after him ;-)
Also, the competition in plumie-mania is heating up and I am sensing a rather ugly, seamier side to it developing. "Battle-lines" are being drawn and groups and forums are splintering into other groups and forums---ad nauseum-. I try to stay out of what I see coming. I am already hearing mud-slinging and lots of conjecture not based on facts. I myself have been the topic of less-than- flattering discussion among certain groups, though I do not think they are aware that I even know about it. I know many people who copy and send me stuff just to let me know what's gling on. This is one reason you don't see me posting much anymore--I am tired of the mentally exhausting bantering that's going on among competitors.
There are some sellers who claim to get this and that and I know it is simply not true. I am also seeing sellers quickly making deals with Thai Ebay sellers they knew nothing about and hoping that when the chips fall, all will be well for the customers. I am not saying all Thai Ebay sellers are bad, but when I see one that uses OBVIOUSLY doctored photos to sell his/her plants, and then sellers here offering the same plants with the same photos, I have to wonder what is going on.
Robert, I am NOT referring to your particular seller, by the way.
I am not going to assume there is something bad with all Thai Ebay sellers, but, that being said, it does raise a red flag, at least for me when I see horribly doctored pictures being used to sell "rare" plumerias. Also of interest is the glut in virused plants. There are some bad viruses going around in Thailand as Gr. Kukiat had already pointed out. Hell--if you want a virused plant, why not just infect one of your own with some sap from a Princess Victoria--end of story. Many of these "splashed" Thai ones are plants like Madame Poni infected with viruses.
As for Oz stuff, the only stuff coming in now---other than my recent shipment from Sacred Gardens----- is DJ's stuff (well except for the common Apricot), and, not many of you know his business is in very bad shape because the two people who were in business with him left him for reasons I shall not discuss on the open forum. This was quite a topic of discussion on the Oz forums a few weeks ago, but odd, no one here seems to know anything about it. I think it safe to say, though, that I would be careful buying quantities from this seller because of current conditions thereof. Also, the ones I hear supposedly coming from him are all very old varieties as DJ has not updated his list in at least 3 years. That being said, DJ does not offer Dwarf Watermelon. Chompoo Phuang Roi (I have this plant too) is being passed off in Thaland as Dwarf Watermelon, and I fail to see it as such except that is has similar coloration. Dwarf Watermelon is a true dwarf. I am the only US agent for Steven Prowse of Queensland Oz ad he sells this variety as Dwarf Cherry Cluser, and has for some time now. My old partner, Chris at Frangipani Heaven had extreme difficulty finding any quantities of this plant and doesn't sell it---she keeps her own plant to herself and doesn't offer cuttings but very rarely. Steven is constantly introducing new things to the plumeria world and you can expect many new thintgs to come in the next year.
All in all, it boils down to the fact that the customer comes first. I only hope that all of these noobs jumping on the "red-hot plumie bandwagon" this year are keeping these peoples' interests first. By the way, this flood of stuff from all over is quickly devaluing these plants as they are no longer scarce and the selection is getting to be too much--sort of like the Tulip Craze in Holland that went bust a couple hundred years ago.
I think that in the next year to two years, because of the falling prices and glut of product, many people selling plumerias will no longer be doing so and will move on to the next craze from which they think they can make a quick buck. I plan on being here for a while, at any rate, because, at the end of the day, I really love these plants. Even if my business fails, I will always have my collection to love.
This message was edited May 2, 2007 12:00 AM
Well-said, Brad. There are definitely good and bad sellers here, there, and everywhere, and it is up to we consumers to arm ourselves with knowledge so that don't end up being the victims of some seller's greed. We especially need to be careful when buying on EBay and make sure that the seller is reputable before turning over our hard-earned cash. I agree with you that the amount of virused plants being advertised and sold is sickening.
By the way, Robert, Shane/Cajun also gets his plumeria stock Plumerindr, who has used doctored photos in the past on EBay so I personally would be wary of anyone who uses doctored photos.
Brad before you leave can you pull the knife out of my back..
Hehehehe j/k buddy!
I agree with Clare Brad well said friend..
Thanks Clare for the info,i been so busy as of late that i didn't see what see posted on ebay yet..
I will check out pic and ask her to confirm..
I want to get one thing clear i am not a seller!!
I been around plumies before anyone was selling them and long before anyone talked about them!!
Noobs?? Brad hit the nail on the head, too many sellers too little knowledge!
My connection with the Thai people has been thru my family..
My cousin and uncle are married to thai women and my best friends are thai..
I was ask as a favor to use my nursery to grow these thai varieties and help all you buyers who were losing so many plumies to rot or burned at the stake from the Dept. of AG.
This was the only reason i was ask because so many peeps were losing their plumies as of late..
Personally i am getting tired of my rep from the Bureau of Plant and Apiary Inspection walking around my nursery with a magnifing glass and looking at every leaf and root for bugs that pertain to citrus trees..
I will not get in the current war Brad mentions and i do wish all those peeps stop asking my friend for my full name and address..
Most peeps know my name and why would anyone want to know my addy too?
Rob in FL is all they need to know!!
;=O
I do wish sucess to all sellers and good karma for everyone!!
My main goal is to help my friend in thailand to feed her fish and her dog and help her maintain her wonderful nursery!
Nok her sister has one of the largest nurseries in Thailand and this is one of the reasons she can ship 100+ plumies a week to me..
If it gets too much i will pull out and drink a ice cold Singha and laugh and say why is everyone stabbing each other over a flower meant to bring ALOHA spirits to all newcomers?
To all you sellers who bought from my friend please drop your egos and leave feedback for her..
I see a plumie i like i buy it from you no matter who you are and i leave a feedback at least you can do is help the ones in thailand who are working hard at their nurseries and not the pretenders who buy at the market and pass the plumies as their own..
..as far as the OZ varieties are concern many times thru the years i could have bought from the aussie sellers but choose to buy from the Bradster..
I never had a issue from Brad and the aussie plumies are one of my favs as they are strong growers..
Being Hawaiian i can get any Hawaiian plumie no problem..
Being a Floridian i can get all the locals even the ones no one knows about..
Brad is just north of me so i can get any OZ plumie without a phyto cert..
Helping my friends out in Thailand i can get any thai plumie i want..
Besides ice cold Singha what more can someone ask for? (Priceless)
Robert,
Re- the Nok you mentioned-------You're referring to Doc's friend Nok, right? Because there is another Nok at the market you have to watch out for because she sells mislabeled plants. I know this because she sold me some! Doc's friend Nok is the one I'd buy from when visiting BKK.
Your friend on Ebay offered to sell me some plants wholesale, but I passed---, 1st because I have sources I can get most of the same from, and 2nd, because I didn't know anything about her. Glad to know she is one of the honest ones as there are a zillion sheissters out there.
Well-said, Robert and Brad. You're both great in my book:-) I'm glad to know about the good sellers too as well as the bad ones. Knowledge is power:-)
The good Nok Brad..
Doc already knows my whole deal with her..
Brad she contacted you and a few others because i gave her your info...
She wanted US sellers i could trust because at first i didn't want to do this..
Now that i am getting 80-100 weekly to grow she can list as stock in USA.
She wants to be different from the other sellers and knows the bad things going on..
..anyways don't want to bore everyone Brad you know the scoop!
;=)
Brad i tried to call you to let you know she was going to contact you but you disc your old number bud!
Send me email you paranoid bast1Žd and give me the new one hehe..
you guys are too funny! LOL
dete
Lopaka ive been promoting you as a reliable Thai seller as well ;)
Thanks Mike but i am not selling any of these but she is selling off her ebay site..
I am only the holding center so ALL buyers will get a 100% healthy growing plumie..
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZ123yaowalukQQhtZ-1
No more crappy disease ridden grafted plant but a plumie injected with ROIDS!
Read her feedback and see what the buyers are saying about the plants..
;=)
I think it is a shame when many of the well known sellers buy from her and don't leave feedback..
I have the list of all buyers and many are well known in many other forums tisk tisk!
Singha!
I like to say if peeps don't feel comfortable buying from her give Brad a try for thai and OZ plumies..
Besides my friend in Thailand and Doc, Brad is the only seller i can think of that i can call reliable..
...unless Clare starts selling those are my recommendations!
Thanks for the clarification.
Im sure anyone looking to you will find the ebay store. ;)
LOL, Robert. I don't think I will ever become a seller. I have sold some duplicate common ones recently just to free up room, but that is just an occasional thing. I promised Kukiat that I would help him in any way that I could if and when he wants to sell some of his stock, but I would have the same support role that you do -- just the shipper of plants for my friend. I would be happy to do this for him. He has graced me with so many beautiful plants that it would be the least that I could do for him.
LOL--Thanks, Rob. BTW-- I answered your email--2 days ago. Lighten up on the Singha, will ya?!! ROFLMAO!! I guess I am one to talk. I took a much needed day of rest by the pool with a few ice-cold Dinkel Aackers. LOL In fact, this is an "Email-and- forum-check Break"------now back to the water!
Michael, nice to see you once again. Hope all is well..
Clare, big hugs!
Brad
Big hugs back, Brad. Get some well-deserved R&R;-)