Rare White Morning Glory with cream color seeds

Ron and Emma have you guys seen or grown this type? A partial Japanese description follows...

"The leaf is the type like the bamboo grass leaf. As for the flower, the kind of white which is transparent Also the surprise seed is true ‚Á white"

This is what the seeds look like.

Hello MGJapan, and let me welcome you as well!

I don't know the name of this MG, but I know that there is a specific genetic trait with Japanese Morning Glories that results in pure white flowers, including the tube. It also results in white seeds. This gene is called "ca white."

Arlan

Hi Atenkley,

Thanks for the welcome. Yes the seller states that the white seeds are mutants.

I`m looking at another smaller white MG seeds being auctioned and they are calling it Ipomoea sibirica.
This is a picture of the flower. Do you know it?

And thanks for that bit of information!

This message was edited Feb 20, 2007 10:25 AM

That is a nice clean flower! I really don't know much about the obscure Ipomea species. I'll defer to others to provide that information!

Arlan

Hi MGJapan . . .

I've not grown this one and the leaves you describe are like nothing that I can recall growing, or even seeing.
Very interesting!
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3204372

I did, however, get some seeds that look very similar to your seeds here:
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3204378
from a lady in Japan that bought some items from me on eBay and sent me a few unusual and rare Japanese MG Seeds, and these are some that she sent.
They are a very Bright White Seed.

Ron, I sent you some of these seeds, do you think they could be the same?
If you don't have yours handy, I'll dig out mine and photo them to post.

MGJapan, Ron will be more knowledgable about the White MG you are describing, and I will look forward to what he has to say.

I do have seeds of Ipomoea sibirica. Let me know if you would like any and they are yours.
HOWEVER, my seeds are NOT White.

Ron, I. sibirica seeds aren't White are they?

Ron, isn't Ipomoea sibirica the seeds I asked you about not long ago that wouldn't do well for me in my zone and you told me this species grew better in a cooler zone ????
Or am I thinking about something else?

Emma

Hey Emma, thanks for offering the Sibirica. We got some being sent from a Japanese seller but to get some from USA is cool. Let me know what you want in return.

This season I'll grow the yellows and white morning glory and experiment with them.
You know how we do it so I'll D-mail you some details.

I took this picture today while out running around. The soil here is reddish and clay like in many areas once you start digging.

Here is another smaller white MG that' I'm trying to win. From what I'm reading in Japanese they're calling it (bean morning glory). We've contacted the seller for aditional information. The auction is for 20 seeds. When I get more info I'll update you guys.

Here's another picture.

Hello,

The white flower looks like an Ipomoea purpurea and so does the rosey/pink one behind it...the leaves don't look bamboo shaped from what is visible in the photo...the seeds look like Ipomoea purpurea...but they might be an I.nil...can you post the seeds next to some regular purpurea seeds for a size comparison(?)...
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/MGJapan_1171893270_419.jpg
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/MGJapan_1171893521_223.jpg


This is Merremia siberica
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/MGJapan_1171933971_905.jpg
and the seeds should be a brown to dark brown

Here is Merremia sibirica in the PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/31908/
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/55125/
the photo above shows colored anthers,but the base of the stamen is placed differently in Merremia and produces a distinguishable difference in the angulation of the filament

Ipomoea lacunosa...notice the maroon anthers...
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/MGJapan_1171965222_296.jpg
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/MGJapan_1171965450_13.jpg

Ipomoea lacunosa in the PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/125109/

TTY,...

Ron

MGJapan,
You got it - The Merremia siberica

I also have seeds of
Ipomoea lacunosa

Your red soil in this photo
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3207325

Looks EXACTLY like East-Texas Red soil.

Ron, Thanks for the info.

Emma

Ron, thanks for pointing out the new info and I'm still looking over the 1st list of information you refered us to.
Both list have some need to know information that we'll be digesting for a while. TTY

MGJapan,

Your quote:

I tend to think of the bamboo leaf in terms of leaves that actually look like bamboo
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2523/htmls/04.html
or less so here
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2523/htmls/03.html
but still called bamboo leaf...it can get confusing when the actual appearence can vary appreciably and doesn't seem to really match the official description(s)...






This message was edited Feb 21, 2007 1:57 AM

Here is picture of bamboo leaf from the bamboo that's growing in my yard. This is what the basic bamboo leaf that grows in Japan looks like. Tomorrow I will ask the owner at the local gardening shop about bamboo grass leaf. It should be an interesting conversation. Thanks guys.

When the delicate gene is combined with the maple gene, the resulting leaf does in fact look very much like the bamboo leaf, as Ron referenced here: http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2523/htmls/04.html

I would love for these traits to become more available in the genepool here.

Arlan

I can't wait until the Asagao Festivals kick off later in the summer to get some of those rare seeds. I'm getting my notes together and learning how to say the right things in Japanese. I'll be sharing some of these later in the year. Arlan can you speak and read Japanese?

I sure do wish that I could! I just have spent much time using the online translators, translating various Japanese sites featuring Ipomoea nil information. Individually the translations may be quite cryptic, but after a while, one can begin to recognize some common "translator" vocabulary and context!

As you can probably tell, I am particularly interested in the genetics of Ipomoea nil, particularly as it pertains to the "change asagao".

Arlan