Ipomoea horsfallia

An old botanical print...what do we call this today?

I think it's cardinal creeper

This message was edited Feb 6, 2007 3:13 PM

The print says "Batatas Paniculata"

Wow, all these scans look so nice and sharp here online! They are so pretty. Thanks for posting them!

It's amazing to think that someone hand colored old botanical prints.

Thanks Beth - love these. Would it be possible to put name of publication and date these prints came from? name of artist?

It would be nice to link these to PlantFiles, but then we'd need to know what the modern name is. Also, to have one thread for each illustration in case there are related posts commenting and/or identifying on any given illustration - that would also be convenient for linking these to PlantFiles.

I always wanted to show the evolution in art history of individual flowers - just to take one flower, like morning glories, down that path would be wonderful.

The first drawing here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/baolvera_1170803470_443.jpg
does look to match Ipomoea horsfalliae

The second photo here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/baolvera_1170803528_27.jpg
looks like Ipomoea batatas to me...

I think that actual up to date clear photos of the relevant structures is the best way to provide accurate plant ID's...the older drawings,illustrations and paintings have definite aestethic value,but can't be relied upon for structural taxanomic accuracy for various reasons...

The older renditions are always interesting to view from an aesthic and historical point of view...

TTY,...

Ron

Blue Sprial, I like the sentiments that I am getting here from you about the plant files. I too have been thinking along these line lately, but it is a trip up the mountain to dig through what the International Botanical Congress has decided about the primogeniture of naming rights on all the Convolvulus genera and species of the world. It is killing me , I don't have a reference to go to to iron out these thinggs and learn about foreign species. All I have is Grays Botany of North America, and Pecks higher plants. When I was going to Oregon State University studying Horticulture, the Hort Dept had it's own library, and had a State Botany for every state or nearly every. Boy would I like to get into that Library now. I am starting to ge some archiving ideas. I think on our forum, we need a thread for a botanical archive. It might not get a lot of use, but those that need it would have it, in the forum. Keep up the good thoughts and keep your chin up. Frank

A historical Archive per se if presented properly may be a worthwhile addition to the MG forum...if not presented properly it will be misleading...

I enjoy sentimentality and even surrealism,but when push comes to shove I'm a realist...

I'm sure I and others will enjoy your project...

Ron

I agree with you Ron, we probably all know that the real plant, truely, was NOT covered in black hair as in this TARANTULOID, but gorgeous illustration. But the Artist didn't have all the tools he needed at his discretion he might have needed. The real challenge is to get see of these species and get the quality of photos you always ask for, and get the ddigital growers at the front of the column, because this is really important science, and that is more important than the hobby of gardening. You always get those picture out of us, and the comentary is great. Here we are still in winter weather. The weather has finally broken here after haveing the ground frozen and the creek frozen over for 2 months. Spring is around ther corner and we need a thread for those with digital cameras, that are going to grow SPECIE seeds this year. Hmm. Frank