Thanks for your email, Kell, and for that valuable information. I won't do any more cutting of leaves or branches. Yeah, my back is really messed up. You are right that all the lifting and moving pots is really killer on the back, not to mention trying to put up tarps with 25 mph wind gusts in freezing weather! LOL! I can laugh now, but I actually did cry when the heavy rocks that I put on the tarp on the retaining wall were launched by the wind into my plumerias. They broke a few branches, and when I tried to put the tarp back, I fell off of my step stool. It was not a pretty sight, but I'm all right. I'm just stressed and worried about my poor babies in the yard. I lit a smudge pot and put it on the patio, but it surely didn't generate much heat.
Mary, I'm so sorry for you too. My fingers are crossed for you too, and I'm glad that you have some in a greenhouse that will be saved. I bought two more greenhouses today just in case this happens again in February. If not, I can always use them next year. I found a site that has a sale right now on the same one which I got this past fall: http://www.comforthouse.com/flowerhouse1.html Yes, I agree that this whole country is getting hit with cold and ice and snow with the exception of maybe South Florida. Colorado has gotten three major snow storms all in a row, which may also be a record for them.
Here is my greenhouse:
Weather woes, everywhere you go
I hope our brugs come back. My sages and my banana got it really bad, i dont think they will come back. My posettias to.
Kell when they start to leaf out do we just cut off the dead parts of stems. At least whatever mites were in my garden have been blasted.
Clare Michelia champaca is such an expensive plant did you completely loose it?
steph
I'm sorry about your damage, Steph. So many of us got it hard because it was so unexpected. Hopefully, everything will bounce back when the weather becomes warmer. My Michelia champaca cost me around $40, but I've seen them for much more money than that. I don't think I've lost it completely, but all the leaves are fried for sure. I guess we will see if new ones grow in in the spring. It was only 28 for a few hours so I don't think there was time for the ground to freeze, but I could be wrong about that. My Michelia chapensis, Michelia x alba, and Michelia figos look all right thankfully.
I had brought all my (4) plumeria into the garage a month ago, to let them go dormant. They've lost some leaves but look alive. (I think) The lady up the street has all hers outside in the ground. I hope they're not toast. They've been in the ground for years, but we've not had anything near this cold since 1990.
What do you use as a source of heat in those greenhouses, Clare? A couple of them put together would have been enough to put my brugs in - but with weather this cold I don't know if it would be enough. The sheets didn't protect them. I wonder if one of those structures with little christmas lights would be enough heat. Might look silly, but who cares. I might not need to worry about it if they're all dead. Feeling the branches some are sort of soggy feeling, and the skin seems like it's going to peal off. Not good, huh. I may be going on an eBay buying spree in the spring.
Poor Steph. Yes, just cut off all the dead stuff after all danger of any more frosts has passed.
Oh Clare, OUCH! I am glad you did not hurt yourself even more. The wind can be terrible. Tom built me a hoophouse as he does every winter. It is now over 12 feet high to accommodate my tall brugs. The wind zips so hard thru my back yard in a storm it actually lifts off those big gray cement blocks. I am forever afraid I will look out and see it lift off into space.
I am using one of those oil heaters this winter. It has been working great too. It cycles on and off according to the times you set it. It is really working well and my hoophouse is much bigger than that one. It only cost about $70.
I think those greenhoses are a great idea, Clare. You could take them out fast and set them up in a pinch. A heater like mine would work great. And you would save all that money and heart ache on not having to replace your plants.
Here is some info from an email I received from the San Francisco Botanical Garden at Strybing Arboretum. It sure gives hope for a lot of growth come spring and summer even on the ones that look dead now.
"If you have outdoor plants like us, you should probably prepare them for the cold. Here are some basic steps to take before a potential frost and after:
Cover tender plants with frost cloth. Hopefully it hasn't sold out everywhere at this point. Check your local nursery or garden supply store for availability. Using an old sheet is better than nothing, but frost cloth is preferable.
Most plants could benefit from a small watering as part of your preparation, but NOT cactus and other water-retaining succulents. As you know, water expands when it freezes. If the cells of your succulents are full of water, they will burst when the water freezes, killing the plant. If they're a little low on water when the cold arrives, there's a chance the cell walls will be able to stand a little expansion and won't burst.
Bring as many of your container plants inside as possible. If they don't fit inside, placing them against an outside wall of your house or apartment, particularly if there's an overhang, can make a big difference.
What do you do after a freeze? Be patient. The cold spell in 1989 was tough on our plants here at the garden, but more made it through than we originally thought. The initial survey after the freeze showed us that 80% of the plants in our Cloud Forest Garden had died. Yet the roots of many of these plants survived, and in the spring, it looked like actually only 40% had died in the big freeze. By summer, the number went down to 20%. We still lost some great plants, but not nearly as many as it looked right after the freeze.
Do not prune or cut back plants too hastily. In case of another cold spell, an unpruned plant helps provide insulation for its roots and main trunk.
Pruning now could force the plant into growth, which would stress the plant and force it to use of more of its reserves, leaving it vulnerable to another cold spell.
Wait for possible new growth on woody plants to actually know what's dead.
Water only if dry. If roots are damaged, over-watering now can encourage root injury.
Mulches moderate root temperatures and preserve moisture.
It may take several months for new growth to appear.
Consider keeping notes on the damage that occurred for your own reference.
Sincerely,
Don Mahoney
Horticultural Manager
San Francisco Botanical Garden Society
Hope this info helps some of you.
Thank you Kell for posting that.
Wow, I'm so sorry all of you are having such weird cold weather. I sure hope all of your plants will survive. Great information, Kell.
Mary, hopefully, your neighbor's plumeria tree is undamaged. Sometimes, a plumeria can come back as well even if it most of its limbs are killed. People have been posting pics of plumeria damage over at the various plumeria forums. Here are a couple from a really nice man named Dewaine:
http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=7150ANQHQwQQS2f9KSeZtIW-XJRsOXKI*ElYv4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D
http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=7150ANQHQwQQS2f9KSeZtIW-XGGnD126abm5v4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D
http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=7150ANQHQwQQS2f9KSeZtIW-XCxfYs0hhPZgv4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D
http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=7150ANQHQwQQS2f9KSeZtIW-XGvQWoVd-4xIv4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D
Thanks, Kell, for posting that. It surely does give one hope.
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Mary, I forgot to answer your question about the heat source. I use an oil-radiant heater in there on the nights when it is predicted to be in the 30's; otherwise, I leave it off. It usually doesn't drop much below 40 at night here, and the plumerias don't mind temps in the 40's. Most of my plumerias are kept outside. The only ones that I put in the greenhouse are the special ones and the ones with inflo's. Last winter, I kept the heater on all the time, and my electricity bill was around $400 a month so I couldn't do that again this year.
So strange seeing 10b zones with these freezes! We thought we were having it bad and it's all over Calif.! I did what I could, already lost some things I couldn't bring in but hope for the best. Taking note of what did OK and letting the others go will help me decide what not to purchase in the future.
Sure looks so sad out there in my garden, all brown and dead looking, hard to believe it will be green and lush again, can hardly wait now!
Kell and all,
This article was just posted on another forum and may be helpful:
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FROST PROTECTION
It’s hard to believe that late in Oct of 2003 we faced 100° days, and now 3 weeks later, we’re bracing for frost season! For the past 20 years the coldest temperatures in Phoenix have occurred around Thanksgiving when frost damage is usually most severe.
There are many misconceptions about how frost actually damages a plant. It is incorrectly assumed that ice forms inside cells causing them to rupture and burst open when they freeze. This never happens. When people first examined frost damaged plant cells under the microscope in the 1930’s, they never found any burst cells. Cells from damaged tissue were always dehydrated and wilted but their cellular membranes were intact and never torn open. The so called, “Rupture Theory”, was proven false in the 1930’s but the notion continues to this day.
It just so happens that freezing damage is a wilting process that is identical to dehydration damage. But how does wilting occur as plants are frozen?
The surprising clue came from a citrus orchard in Israel where farmers were spraying their trees with tetracycline to control a bacterial disease. Half way through the orchard they ran out of spray and couldn’t finish spraying the crop. Later that night the temperature dropped to 25° F and severe frost damage occurred on the trees that weren’t sprayed. But to the farmers’ astonishment the trees sprayed with the antibiotic did not have any frost damage. How could an antibiotic be a frost protectant? It did not make sense. What was the link?
After much study it was discovered that the antibiotic prevented ice crystals from forming on leaf surfaces. How? To the surprise of everyone it was shown that the antibiotic suppressed bacteria that caused ice crystals to form. These ice-nucleation bacteria triggered ice crystals to form that caused the frost damage. If ice didn’t form, there was no frost damage, in spite of the cold temperatures being the same.
The key to surviving freezing damage was to maintain water in a liquid state, even if temperatures dropped below 32° F, the known freezing point of water. Water that stays liquid, even when its temperature drops below 32° F, is called super cooling. As the Israeli’s found out, anything that promotes super cooling may protect plants against freezing injury.
How is super cooling achieved in nature? One thing is leaf cleanliness. Ice crystals form on dusty or dirty leaves more quickly than on clean leaves. This occurred in the Israeli orchard. Another treatment is to spray leaf surfaces with a sugar or glycerol solution. The sugar dissolves in dew on leaf surfaces and lowers the freezing point of the dew by several degrees. Under the right conditions this is just enough to protect the leaves from freezing damage.
Plants that are naturally frost tolerant use this strategy by making excess sugars or proteins to lower their freezing point. Freezing tolerant plants also tend to have smaller leaves and produce smaller cells as day length’s shorten. The small cells increase surface area and making it more difficult for ice to form. This explains why tropical plants have difficulty protecting themselves from frost. Unlike temperate zone plants, tropical plants can’t distinguish long from short days.
Tropical plants tend keep their leaves and produce large cells year round. Gardeners can control cell size with fertilizer and water applications. Frequent fertilizer and water will promote large cell size that is more apt to freeze. Thus, the traditional practice of “hardening plants” to protect from frost injury is based on sound scientific principles. Cutting back on water and fertilizer increases sugar content that reduces ice crystal formation.
Hardening is one approach to protecting plants from freezing temperatures. The other is to modify the microclimate around the plants. How? By adding heat when temperatures are low. How is this done? Homeowners do this by covering their plants at night to trap heat and prevent it from escaping to the surrounding air. Blankets, towels, sheets, plastic tarps all work. Another procedure is to string light bulbs in the trees. High wattage bulbs generate more heat. This should only be done on the night frost is threatening, not before or after. Infared heat lamps may also work from a greater distance than incandescent bulbs. Fluorescent bulbs do not work well because they emit less heat. Remember that the radiant energy from light travels in a straight line and that trees in shadows will not be protected. Be sure that light surrounds the tree or else the shadowed side could be damaged. Farmers have traditionally added heat to save their orchards by burning smudge pots or spraying huge amounts of water to their trees during the actual frost. Homeowners should avoid sprinkler irrigation of trees where light bulbs have been strung up. The electrocution hazard is real. Farmers also occasionally use wind machines or helicopters to mix the hot air that sits above the cold air during a temperature inversion. Of course this procedure is impractical for residential homeowners.
The extent of frost damage on trees is dependent on the temperature reached, and the duration of the low temperature. Conditions that favor large versus small ice crystal formation cause the most severe frost damage. For example, four hours at 28° F can be more damaging than one hour at 23° F. Also, freezing damage depends on the plant with each species having its own “killing” temperature. The most sensitive are tropical evergreen plants with large leaves. These can be killed by temperatures as high as 40° by a process known as chilling injury. For most tropical plants, however, the killing temperature is between 32-28° F. The next most sensitive groups are the broad-leaf, semi-tropical evergreens. These include eucalyptus, citrus and Ficus that are killed by temperatures between 32-18° F. The succulents, that include cactus, agave and yucca’s have killing temperatures between 28-5° F, depending on species and their acclimatization. The next group on the list are deciduous trees and shrubs with killing temperatures between 20° F down to -40° F depending on species and their acclimatization. The most frost hearty group are some of the temperate zone conifers, which can survive bone chilling temperatures down to -70° F in the most extreme alpine and arctic conditions.
Although we in Arizona don’t have to face frosts every year they can cause severe and costly damage to trees that large trees that managed to escape damage during the mild years.
the brugs should all come back in Calif if they were established in the ground.Cut back to soil level and let them regrow from the roots. Ihave had them live down to 14F here then regrow, and that was in pots. so it looks bad but most should make it.
:-)
Thanks everyone . Now I know why my oranges lemons and alvacodo look ok . I sprayed them with Neem oil - should have sprayed everything but I was just worried about the scale 2 weeks ago and had nephew do it .
Has anyone sprayed Neem on burgs for cold ? Would it hurt them now ?
Eclipse.... so you are saying that the brug survie in zone 5?
I am in zone 7 , I thought that even with a heavy mulch they would not come back here. Could you please clairfy that for me. I thought they would only survive in zone 8.
As I and new to brugs and I have 2 Rooted Brugs, and have just arquired 11 Brug cuttings that I am rooting now. I need to know if I can leave them out side next season.
I was going to bring them in and put them in pots and let them go dormant in my poolroom since I have no basement.
Thannk you
Ps. those pictures make my heart break!
They are not hardy in zone 5 iffy in zone 7. I was just saying that for short periods of time they can take very low temps and come back from the roots. 25 F would be about the lowest safely that they can take.Varieties vary in cold tolerance also. Mountain types can take colder temps than lowland types.
So in zone 7 I would take them in for winters. You can experiment with one spare plant by leaving it outside and mulching heavily.Planted close to the south side of a building will carry them over too.The heat from the basement foundation will keep the ground warmer.We have had cannas live overwinter here if planted next to the house on the south side and mulched lightly.
Kyle
My pink ones in the garden look like those frozen ones after our first real freeze every year. I have some located in a more protected area, and they sometimes will stay green longer than the ones in a lower, unprotected area.
Every spring, they pop back up and the leaves and tips will sometimes get frost bitten, but they survive.
I take cuttings every fall, just in case and then I give lots of the plants to neighbors, friends and family and plant some as soon as I know it is safe.
My neighbor purchased a white one in the fall and planted it right away. It actually had a seed pod, but the pod didn't get a chance to ripen to maturety before the first hard freeze. For some reason, the white one did not come back unless they decided to dig it up and throw it away because it died to the ground. You never know...
Anyway, my heart goes out to you, and I also suspect that most of them will come back to life when this is over. Mine get large again very fast. I have a few new varieties that are still in pots, and I protect them during the winter. I hope that they wll get big enough to make cuttings this spring and try them in the ground.
I left a well rooted potted cutting of a yellow one outside (sitting on bricks) last winter, and it didn't make it.
I am barely in zone 9a, and I wouldn't doubt that some parts of my yard are truly 8b.
Good luck to you, and I'll be watching this thread to see which ones survived. It's always possible, but rare that we get below 25 degrees, and I would love to have more varieties in my gardens.
Ann
Very interesting Clare. I tell you, every day more of my yard gets grey. I am not sure if it is due from the current night temps of 32 to 34 or a delayed reaction. I am beyond crushed over my tibouchina trees. The nightly temps are staying 32 to 24 for the rest of the week though the days are so nice. What is up with this??
Tony, all my citrus look fine, even the lemons and limes on the trees are fine. I have no clue why the frost didn't affect them.
Kyle, one of the problems will be if we start to get those heavy rains that go on for days. That is when I will lose my brugs on top of this damage. Oddly we have had little rain this winter. Last year my yard was flooded.
Some parts of my brugs damage feel like they're hollow. Other parts feel softer than normal and feel as if the outer skin is coming loose from the branch. Some still feel firm down at the base of the plant. I'm assuming the firm ones might have the best chance of coming back.
I had some tip damage in the greenhouse on the plants furthest away from the heater. This kind of damage I've seen before and the plants always recovered from it. This is the first year I've ever had to use the word 'heater' and 'brugmansia' in the same sentence. So, what do you think? Is my 9B climate turning into a 7B climate? LOL I could use a little global warming these last few nights. LOL
Onward we go. I may only replace a couple of my totaled plants, if that. Anything I was on the fence about will not be replaced, and I'm not going to have more than I can sufficiently shelter from whatever may come our way.
Ouch....I'm sorry all of you have to go through this....:{
Those bugs look so sad....
My euecka , ponderrosa , mexician lemons , the plumelo , kumquat , avacado and naval orange are all OK . [ RIGHT NOW ]
The mexican lime is 5 years old - never even had a flower and has not leaves - I am going to send it to God and have him check it .
Going to replace it with a burg later this year .
My Charles Grimaldi still has some green leaves - had 6 pods , but they are driping water / sap . It has a shed next to it and has a rose , fern , plumelo and philadrimdrom around it . A 6 foot redwood fence on both sides of yard and a cyclone with redwood slathes in back .
Then some ginger another Charles Grimaldi , rose , boxwood hedge [ 8 foot tall ] with 2 hibiscus , banana [ all 3 have cold damage ] and a japanese maple , then another boxwood hedge [ 8 foot tall ] .
The dryer vent is about 4 feet away so it probably helps . We only dry clothes at night unless we need something now .
My euecka , ponderrosa , Mexican lemons , the plumelo , kumquat , avocado and naval orange are all OK . [ RIGHT NOW ]
The mexican lime is 5 years old - never even had a flower and has not leaves - I am going to send it to God and have him check it .
Going to replace it with a burg later this year .
My Charles Grimaldi still has some green leaves - had 6 pods , but they are dripping water / sap . It has a shed next to it and has a rose , fern , plumelo and philadrimdrom around it . A 6 foot redwood fence on both sides of yard and a cyclone with redwood slathes in back .
Then some ginger another Charles Grimaldi , rose , boxwood hedge [ 8 foot tall ] with 2 hibiscus , banana [ all 3 have cold damage ] and a japanese maple , then another boxwood hedge [ 8 foot tall ] .
The dryer vent is about 4 feet away so it probably helps . We only dry clothes at night unless we need something now .
Kell, I'm so sorry about your Tibuochina, but that is such a mature plant that I have to believe it will come back when the weather warms again.
I could be wrong, but I believe citrus damage occurs over several weeks inside the fruit. Once the fruit become frozen inside, it deteriorates from there. You could probably tell now if there is damage by cutting one open and looking at the fruit. I'm no expert here. I have oranges, tangerines, and lemons on the tree too and am hoping that there is no damage.
