I came across reference to the Ipomoea species collected by HMB Endeavor in the south pacific on her voyage in 1768.
Ipomoea:
cairica
illustris
littoralis
macrantha
and unknown species were collected.
40% of the crew perished, I wonder how many of the Ipomoea species made it!
Ipomoea cairica is apparently called the Cairo Morning Glory and Convolvulus cairicus...and I found reference to it being a synonym for Ipomoea palmata and pulchella. Anybody know if it is the same thing?
Ipomoea illustris is apparently Ipomoea campanulata var. illustris and also called strictocardia campanulata in some books. Also called the crimson morning glory.
Different plant from Ipomoea setosa ssp. campanulata, which is pinkish.
Ipomoea littoralis is also called the "white flower beach morning glory" and is called "palulu" in Hawaii. It is also seen in Samoa. I am not going out on a limb and saying they are "native" to these countries as calling something "native" is a matter of interpretation.
The last named species, Ipomoea macrantha, is called the "beach morning glory" and grows in Samoa. I could not find much about it. If anyone has comments about these species I would like to hear what you know!
This message was edited Dec 18, 2006 3:40 PM
Your mention of Beach Morning Glories reminded me of this old shot of mine I got on the beach here. These glories were growing by the thousands.
Were these on the Florida beach, Gardenpom?
Yes, Satellite Beach to be exact. Right between the beach and the dunes.
Those are lovely, I wonder if they produce seeds?
T
he HMB Endeavor also collected
Ipomoea:
batatas
aquaticus
indica
but we are all fairly familiar with these species so I didn't mention them.
Not sure about that, but I was tempted to take a piece home...I figure those plants are protected along the duneline though, and doubt it would have survived anyway.
i may have some seeds of those
Gardenpom, Ipomoea pes-caprae, beach morning glory, goats foot and railroad vine.
It's lovely. I killed one this summer, didn't grow it in pure sand. Will try again this spring.
One pure sand and one potting mix with sand mixed in.
Jackie
Beth, I think Ron told us this yr that palmata is a synonym for turbinata, muricata(the old name).
Regardless, cairica is a beauty. I didn't get to see enough blooms on turbinata to know
if it's the same as cairica. Mine blooms 3 flowers and then dies, even after I removed
the developing seed pods.
Maybe Ron will come along and clear this up.
Jackie
Beth, Forgot to say littoralis is a beauty too. I don't recognize the name littoralis
so it must have
a synonym that is more commonly used perhaps?
This message was edited Dec 19, 2006 1:35 PM
Beth - the bloom here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/baolvera_1166484484_213.jpg
is Ipomoea cairica...always look for the bloom size in relation to the leaf size...
The binomials of Ipomoea palmata and Ipomoea pulchella have been applied to many different species and are mostly regarded as outdated synonyms at this point > although there are a few botanists who still maintain that Ipomoea pulchella is a distinct species,but from what I can determine most of what is called Ipomoea pulchella is actually Ipomoea wrightii...
initially ID'd as Ipomoea cairica,but I saw it 'differently'...
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/517241/
mistaken ID perpetuated...
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/545622/
The flower here is most likely Stictocardia campanulata or Stictocardia tiliifolia
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3009474
Stictocardia campanulata
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/130853/
The seeds I received were labeled as Stictocardia campanulata...but they may turn out to be another closely related Stictocardia species like Stictocardia tiliifolia...the S.tiliifolia has distinctive glands along the underside of the leaves and non-capsular fruit encased by large leathery sepals
Stictocardia tiliifolia
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/142358/index.html
Ipomoea macrantha is a synonym of Ipomoea violacea...scroll down to the links I added in the comment section...
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/57559/index.html
There is alot of confusion about Ipomoea violacea and Ipomoea tricolor that was caused by an initial ID of Ipomoea violacea to plants which are now recognized as Ipomoea tricolor...
I commented in this thread here on Richard Evans Schultes and Ronald Gordon Wassons contributions
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/664869/
Ipomoea littoralis is currently regarded as a legitimate distinct species and is closely related to Ipomoea batatas...often confused as Ipomoea gracilis...
TTY,...
Ron
This message was edited Dec 19, 2006 11:50 PM
Thanks Ron, I knew you'd come along and have great info to share. It is too bad there is so much misinformation out there on the web. Sometimes the only information you can find on a species is inaccurate. I expected classifications to have changed from the days of the Endeavor, but it was interesting to me that this was the first record of some of these species being collected from "tropical" latitudes.
Beth
Thanks for the neat thread. It was a good read and I like the pictures.
This message was edited Dec 19, 2006 3:37 PM
Patootie, the only common name for I. littoralis that I could find is the Hawaiin name. I don't think it is common in the US and appears to have the same growing habit as pes-caprae, needing to grow in sand. Ron said it is a close relative of I. batatas but it does seem to have more dramatic blooms. Sounds like a good excuse for another trip to Hawaii!
Beth
Beth, Wouldn't it be wonderful to try to grow littoralis? If you do get a chance to go
to Hawaii, please bring me back a few seeds if you can.
This message was edited Dec 20, 2006 1:10 AM
