I could really use some help my Chamaecyparis thyoides ‘Rubicon’ is about eight years old is sited south facing full sun and has been provided consistent adequate irrigation and fertilization. It is made up of three primary (trunks?) with three plus secondary (trunks?). Over the last few years it has begun to lean and the trunks are beginning to split apart from one another. I have recently been tying the trunks together then staking the tree is this what I should be doing? What would cause a conifer to behave like this? kt
Chamaecyparis thyoides 'Rubicon'
Wow! That's as nice a "Rubicons", (or as I know it: "Red Star") as I've every seen. It is my understanding that this tree--like all C. thyoides--suffers frequently from root rots, so I always lean towards minimal watering of mine. So far so good, but about half the size of yours. That might resoved the leaning issued. As for splaying multiple stems, I think your best bet is to get in there with some eyelets and cable and lace them together.
Scott
Scott,
Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what you mean using eyelets and cable? Is there a reference book that would discuss and illustrate general tree/shrub topics such as tying, staking, signs of under/over feeding, ect. that you might recommend? kt
What you don't want to do is wrap cable or string around any branches and thereby cause girdling. So the better option is to drill small holes in each leader, screw in eyelets, and then sew these together with as fine a cable as will do the job, hopefully one consisting of a metal or alloy that will not rust or corrode.
You might try Googling "Tree Cabling," and see if you get some decent diagrams or visuals. Remember, with your plant, you need to scale down the operation to the size your "Rubicons" will become. You won't need any major equipment or materials. You just want to prevent the branches from splaying out too much during snow or wind.
Scott
I'm curious about the root rot issue. I just checked Dirr and he states that C. thyoides is a freshwater swamp/ bog plant . Good for low lying areas. I sure hope so because I've deliberately planted two of mine low for more moisture retention.
chamthy,
I am hardly knowledgeable here but the few references I came across stated that" C. thyoides is found in the Atlantic Coastal Plain of Eastern US from Maine to Mississippi. Tolerant of wet ground such as cedar swamps." Could the important distinction be *tolerant*? Another reference I ran across that really has me dismayed is that it is "most often grown as a house plant" and "slow growing and often short lived in cultivation". My C. thyoides has been growing in extremely sandy soil (my home sits on a sandplain) which seems to be opposite of how you sited yours. Are yours happy under wetter conditions?
Scott,
I am a self confessed pruning phobic and your suggestion of *drilling* put me in a tail spin. It took most of the night mumbling drilling vs girdling before I could even google "Tree cabling". I did find some good reference sites. Thanks
Scott:
Let's check on cheap winter flights to the coast. Sounds like runk needs a landscape intervention.
Chamaecyparis thyoides is Atlantic white cedar or white cedar falsecypress (as far as some common names go). I think Scott got conked on the head by one of his Acer or Carpinus logs; he's mistaken about Chamaecyparis thyoides culture. Root rot susceptibility may be due to heavy clays, wrong pH, or high heat/humidity happenings but not due to just wetness. Chamthy and runk are right on. Except: what reference called it a house plant? I'd love to see that one.
Per Dirr:
CULTURE: In the wild, charateristic of fresh-water swamps and bogs, wet depressions, or stream banks, and is rarely found except on such sites; extensive pure stands are the rule, occurring on shallow peat-covered soils underlain with sand; under cultivation it is best to provide a moist, sandy soil; have observed in dry soils under cultivation; prefers full sun and cannot compete with hardwood species.
Dirr also mentions that he has seen considerable stands in Massachusetts, and that "...perhaps one of the most beautiful sites is the White Cedar Swamp in the Cape Cod National Seashore where an interpretive trail leads one through a native stand." Virtually runk's back yard (or within the Sound of her voice).
This plant wants to be in wet sandy soils, but tolerates otherwise in gardens. It would rather be in full sun, or it will lean toward stronger light as it grows. I think all runk needs to do is provide the support for the multi-stemmed character that her tree has grown into, and all will be well.
Some people go radical and gradually prune out the excess stemmed-ness, reducing ultimately to one leader. That goes against the nature of this species -- virtually every plant (non-cultivated) I've seen has more than one trunk. Best choice is start with small plant and keep it at one leader as it grows, rather than try to reverse a healthy mature specimen.
The alternative is as Scott has proposed -- figure out how to knit the trunks into self-supported units. The eye-hook method is reasonable, though someone has to climb into the center of that plant in order to accomplish it. That's a fun winter job (maybe trun is up to the task; leadership qualities and all). I'd vote for some broad rope or strapping to support it for the winter against snow/ice breakage and then go for a permanent solution come nicer spring weather.
I believe (southeastern VAians and northeastern NCians correct me) that this is the tree of the Great Dismal Swamp, which is a fun drive if you've never done it. Your spouse will thank you.
Whew! I have sandy top soil in the backyard where these are planted. None of mine have been planted for much more than a year - the 2 planted slightly below grade were just planted this fall. We had record rainfall in Nov and I see no signs of distress yet.
Your intuition is uncanny, VV! As it were, I was in a hurry to get out of the cold yesterday and I accidentally ran into a lower limb of Carpinus betulus "Columnaris." Totally clothes-lined. Applying pressure to my head wound with both hands, I resumed my jog to the house, but now my intention was to get my wife to drive me to ER. How I forgot about my Acer truncatum "Pacific Sunset" with the low laterals, I'll never know, but danged if I wasn't knocked on my backside again. And now I had a second head wound!
I finally made it inside and as I waited while my wife put on her make-up before driving me to the hospital, I killed time by checking in on Dave's Garden. I probably should have awaited a better time to answer the question on "Rubicons," because I mixed up Chamaecypris lawsonii's root issue with C. thyoides. D'oh!
Anyway, tomorrow, I'm limbing all my plants up to at least 6' 2".
Scott
Especially those annoying dwarf viburnums...
What would cause a conifer to behave like this?
It's an effect caused by being crossed by Caesar
Chamthy,
Being a chronic transplanter I felt your pain there for a while, I was just told that a winter blooming camellia that I searched far and wide for probably won’t survive the winter as I sited it in an eastern direction…oh well it is about to bloom any day now I guess I should get a few photo’s for the first and last time.
VV,
My need for a landscape intervention is long over due of course you and Scott are always welcome but I must warn you the sea pickles are past their prime so you may want to hold off till a warmer season. Thank you for the reassuring information. I was going to ask again if you and Scott have any tree/shrub maintenance guide books that you could recommend. Then when I gave it some more thought I realized you use Dirr’s manual for more than the basic listing of plant characteristics and expectations, but perhaps the most telling info about what to offer my trees and shrubs is what the environment they are happiest in has to offer them(duh).
The houseplant reference came from Conifers The Illustrated Encyclopedia Volume 1 A-K, D.M. van Gelderen, J.R.P. van Hoey Smith. Below a photo of C. thyoides ‘Red Star’ in a terracata pot. “A juvenile form, usually grown as a sturdy houseplant. It is also known as ‘Rubicon’.”.
Trun wanted to thank you for the job recommendation which he is perceiving as a promotion from his typical duties of dig hole where runk is pointing then lift, carry, drag, over sized tree and gently place in hole so runk can then sprinkle a little loam and call herself a gardener.
Scott,
Regardless of the obvious glee your buddy VV is enjoying at the expense of your injured noggin I want you to know how much I appreciate your dedication to DG. There seems to be all different types of contests (photo) and awards these days I wonder why there isn’t an award ceremony for those that sacrifice life and *limb* for the sake of DG? It was reassuring to read that you are in the hands of a good woman who understands well how to prioritize.
Resin,
Assuming Caesar is parentage is there anything you might recommend to minimize this trait?
Runk
Sea Pickles in December
Resin,
Assuming Caesar is parentage is there anything you might recommend to minimize this trait?
Hmmmm . . . that would need re-writing history
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-34,RNWE:en&q=caesar+rubicon
Resin,
I thought you might be leading me down the garden path.....too funny....I fell hook line and sinker. runk
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