Suppose to be Rare

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)


OK....Edited to say..WRONG PICTURE.....this is actually a persimmon...The picture I meant to put is a Dawn Redwood...Thanks for "playing the game" everyone!

According to "Joe" this is suppose to be a rare tree next door too. It's very tall.
Resin~Could you tell what this was? It has no leaves now but I can go over and get another pic.
Thanks,K~

This message was edited Nov 21, 2006 11:22 AM

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Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Sorry, can't tell for sure, but possibly a Magnolia. Does it have any conspicuous flowers in the spring or summer?

Resin

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

It's not magnolia...I'll get over to get some pics. There's several others too.
Thanks~

(Zone 6b)

I can't tell hardly any details from the photo, but I get the impression of Pterostyrax hispidus (Epaulette Tree).

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

No, I just checked that out. This tree doesn't flower.
It's the tallest tree in this picture...this was in summer.

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Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

Leaves or not, closeups of buds and stems are always helpful. The distant shot doesn't have any particular clues in it.

What I think I see: Leaves simple, alternate, entire leaf margins, maybe cordate to acute leaf bases, waxy shiny leaf surfaces, glaucous leaf undersides, acute to abrupty acuminate leaf apices, bark roughish (not smooth enough to be magnolia). In my vitriolic Vitex world, it's probably some zone 8 beast I've never seen.

Collect a branch, if allowed, and photo flat against a neutral background.

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

Ok...Not a tree person at all.....No leaves on it right now....I'll probably have to wait for spring.
Thanks...

(Zone 6b)

A closeup of twigs, with buds visible and old leaves lying on the ground can also be very helpful. Maybe even helpful enough to ID the tree.

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

OK, weather isn't bad today, I'll try to get over there, thanks.

Thornton, IL

I took woodies in the winter, we had to recognize lots of stuff by buds and twigs, so I'm game if you are.

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

OK, I am a DORK again...although I didn't really know until today in this case. I think somewhere someone asked about cones, I said no. When I went and took pics today, low and behold, CONES! YEAH!!! Ya know that's what spiked this tree interest in the first place, cone. I have a cone obsession now.
So here are some additional pictures......

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Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

Here's a close up of the cones in the tree............

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Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

Old cones from the ground which I will be collecting ASAP.

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Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

Pile of dead leaves, who knows which are from which tree?

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Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

The second set of pics is a Metasequoia glyptostroboides (Dawn Redwood) - but it's definitely not the same tree as the first set of pics at the top of the thread!!

Resin

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

Well, I suppose you are right!
Could it be persimmon? Jiro Persimmon?
There are a couple persimmon trees next to it. I probably took that in the spring/summer. I can see the difference.
You have your work cut out for you working with me. I'll keep you on your toes!
Thanks so much!
Would this be a rare tree as "Joe" suggested?
Why don't I just find "Carl" the man who planted them!? :>)
Karen~

Thornton, IL

Karen - You had us going! My "Joe" thought it could be Dawn Redwood, I was going for a persimmon but got kicked off the computer early last night, as my daughter needed it for school. So it makes me feel better that we were both on the right track. Pretty tricky. LOL

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

Ya, that's what I was going for....cough, cough...I have to redeam myself somehow.
But hey, while I'm keeping all you on your toes, I'm getting an education. Easier and cheaper than community college:)

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 8a)

This is one of the reasons the tree had the story of being rare.....It was planted many years ago so at the time there probably weren't many around?

From http://www.arthurleej.com/a-Olympia.html

DAWN REDWOOD
"Dawn or Chinese Redwood Metasequoia glyptostroboides Cross the lawn beyond a bushy Japanese lace leaf maple. One of two dawn redwoods has a plaque explaining how in 1980 a sequoia tree was planted to commemorate Washington's first woman governor, Dixy Lee Ray. But that tree died, and as replacements we have these Chinese cousins of the mighty California sequoias. Metasequoia means "changed sequoia" in reference to its deciduous habit. Like other sequoias or redwoods, this species grows fast to become very large. Several in Washington are already nearly 100 feet tall. The bark is soft and reddish. The needles are delicate ferny green in summer, then turn bronzy, pinkish or golden before dropping in fall. Dawn redwood was thought extinct, then was discovered growing in remote China during the 1940s. Now it is familiar, being planted wherever the climate permits."

OK, one down for sure many to go...Not as in downed tree mind you!

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