Following the quiz footsteps...

...before I just grub these weeds out, anybody want to ID them?

Series of images to follow; hold your fire.

Another suckering junker...

Does anyone have a recommendation of what to spray for these?

At my wits end...quite an infestation.

Just leave them be--I will shovel prune them for you.

Kevin Graybeard

VV,

Very dark and lustrous leaves on this pest. I'll be down not long after Kevin to help you out with eradicating it. Should neither us show up, Tordon RTU will take care of things. Is this that 'Emerald Knight' critter I've heard about?

Ernie

Not 'Emerald Knight'. These are row-run seedlings.

They are supposed to be Chionanthus virginicus var. henryi seedlings, which is not a varietas (or anything else) I was familiar with.

I have four; two are pictured, two not. One is as tall as me (same age).

Some sort of Ligustrum?

Resin

I have nothing more to contribute other than.......Elegant... and of course how short are you VV? kt

193 cm at last check.

The individuals pictured are about 61 cm.

awe come on and speak american. kt

So VV is 379 Degrees C, or 379 feet tall, or 379 fortnights old, or........

My vote is he's 379 Degrees C.

Scott

PHAT!

2.54 cm = 1.00 inch as the crow flies.

I'll be 6'4" next time I'm under a tape measure.

The wee ones pictured are 24", soaking wet.

Ok so... Mr. Jolly Green I am thinking we might want to add this to our regional/zone info as when I am looking up into a tree at all of 4'11 inches I am beginning to think we all have a different view/perspective. kt

Quite true; point taken, Runk.

At least you don't whack your head as often; have as far to fall (nor hit as hard, I'll wager); and don't get poked in the eye by the wayward un-Decumbent-ed branch.

And you will enjoy the pendulous white fleecy fragrant flowers of this plant sooner than me.

VV for every point taken on the side of the gifted tall there is an equal match point for the height challenged (Shorty, midget, punk, pip squeek, ect) ..challenged that I can match. No I won't hit my head as often but I need to depend on the generosity of the passing non height challenged stranger to ask them to pull down a branch for closer examination, cones on a conifer have only been a dream through a zoom or an ankle twister, but honestly in general I believe I miss the same majesty of the sky line as you see. kt

I thought you might also relish in knowing how much my dh enjoys RUNK for some ridiculous reason he finds it hysterical . He is always at the very least a pace and a half ahead of me during any run and recently when he senses I am at my most frustrated he turns and asks "Runk do you need me to slow down?".

My DW just smacked me in the back of the head for laughing at what your husband has been enjoying. She shares your talent for brevity.

LOL...I have to admit that it did take me a long time to spot your name as run-kt-run. Next time he asks, you could respond "Yes, would you please slow down Mr. Trun".

- Brent

VV, when you wrote " I have four; two are pictured, two not. One is as tall as me (same age).", I thought you meant these trees / shrubs were as old as you, and you were frustrated with their slow growth! English is a funny language.

Is there really any distinction between large shrubs and small trees?

Claypa,

You must understand. VideoViewer is from Kentucky. English is not his first language.

scott

Sumbuddy got hoem frum there trip too thuh Rowe befor me. Know fare.

Ohyethathailsfromtheplaceofmybirth:

Funny language, yes; strange practitioners thereof, moreso. I knew what I was talking about (I think).

For those still utterly confused: I have four seedling plants of Chionanthus virginicus var. henryi acquired in 3 gallon pots. I have shown above various pictures of two of them that are now planted, which are about 24" (61 cm). One unplanted individual is also this size, and the final (fourth) plant is taller than me (and I span 193 cm = 6'4" soaking wet, though Scott's and my wife may consider me above average standard temperature and
pressure). All four plants are the same age, but not equal to mine. I'd say these may be 3-4 years old from seed.

The distinction between large shrubs and small trees is often semantics or wielding of pruners (see primer by Decumbent; classes every Thursday, with quizzes during site visits). It deserves its own thread (there may have been several here historically, if one was to search), but I'll throw my definition into the ring.

Large shrubs would be plants that one would expect to normally have multiple stems, none of which should be expected to be permanent. Example: Viburnum dilatatum, which can reach 15' easily but large stems occasionally die off and are replaced by more.

Small trees would be plants that may have single or multiple stems, but don't reach the stature of medium-sized trees (!) and one would expect to retain permanent trunks. Example: Most Acer palmatum, some of which may never reach 15' but if were to die back occasionally would cause cardiac failure in most who provide them succor.

Clear as mud, see?

Finally got a chance to get my pictures straightened out.

Here's the seedling (of the same age as those previously shown) that is taller than me.

From a distance...

...and a close shot of the top.

Man, VV, it looks like you've pruned the heck out of it! Is one lateral branch below five feet too much to ask?

Scott

This message was edited Nov 13, 2006 9:34 PM

VV,

That thing is growing like a weed! The cupped leaves sort of remind me of Emmenopterys henryi. Did you get these from Woodlanders? They call var. henryi a southern variant of Chionanthus. At any rate, the foliage is great. Perhaps no fall color this year?

Ernie

VV- did you purchase the seeds? I looked and Schumacher does not sell southern(henryi) and northern forms. Haven't searched any further.

Little Farmer:

The habit must be a response to awareness of your reputation; defensive posture, as it were.

LHDP:

These originated at Shadow. You pegged it; I wonder about northerly hardiness. No fall color as we speak, but still showing decent green on all the upper leaves. I'm keeping an eye on them to see what they do.

chamfer:

No, I got my four as 3G plants from an esteemed TN nurseryman who is growing out many of these from seed.

By the reaction here, maybe I should go back and get a hundred more.

Yep. Get more. Whatever form this is, and if it's hardy, it is much superior.

Scott

While looking back in time for other things, I ran across this swell thread. It deserves an update.

The Chionanthus virginicus var. henryi are still interesting plants, though there are fewer of them. The dreaded Easter freeze of April 2007 killed two of them outright, while they were in full new leaf.

The other two are hanging in there. The tall one is in a tougher growing site exposed to wind, so is establishing slowly. The other was one of the shorter clan and was planted in a nursery row. Except for an occasional rabbit nibble, it is putting on pretty decent growth. Both have flowered lightly, but I expect next year may be magnificent after this year's excessive moisture builds them up.

Neither have retained the extremely dark green foliage. I suspect that is an aberration of nursery fertilization practices.

I'll look around and see if I have any more recent photos to attach.