Cuttings from Amsterdam......

These came from Paul Shirley today! He shipped them on the 11th. The box was smashed but the cuttings were fine. A couple were kinda' stressed but all looked good. Here's what I got:

H. camphorofolia GPS 10021 (2)
H. camphorofolia GPS 8845 (2)
H. davidcummingii GPS 10050 (2)
H. crassicaulis GPS 10050 (2)
H. sp. Bogor GPS 166 (1)
H. pseudo-litteoralis (1)

I was given a plant of H. davidcummingii recently from a wonderful forum member so this one will go to someone else in the spring when it's rooted and growing :~)

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Does anyone have any info on H. sp. Bogor? I Googled it but only came up with the Paul Shirley website. I LOVE the leaf! It was cheep so I said what the heck, I'm glad I did! Here is a picture of the leaf:

God bless, -joanne

One more of the same leaf with different light and on the leg of my lovely pj's;~) -joanne

Very nice Joanne and congratulations on your new babies! They are all lucky to be going to such a loving mom!
I have always admired pictures of Davidcummingii so be sure to show pictures of your first blooms OK? You know how I like bloom pictures *lol*


Kim

Kim, thank you! Be looking for a stowaway in your box.....davidc's missing and I think he's hitching a ride with the epis to your house! He's a crazy one so be aware he's luking.....

(box shoud be there Saturday, Monday at the oustide :~)

God bless, -joanne

OMG Joanne.....Are you kidding? I have NO IDEA how to root a hoya....I can't be trusted with cuttings my friend *lol* For some reason the Epi's "want" to root for me so they make it, however, hoya on the other hand.....they don't like me too too much other than the heuchialaianasldkfj *lol* that I'm sending you. Now tell me, how would you suggest that I make it happy. OMG OMG OMG, you are just 2 sweet!

I have admired David for a long time but just don't see that one here in the box stores in Maine and it doesn't show up on E-Bay often. When it does, it goes higher than my pocketbook will allow *lol*.

That was just 2 sweet of you.....I am SO TOUCHED!

Thank you friend,
Kim

Whoooweee the traveling david's - they certainly do get around, don't they! Mine was real easy to root, Kim. I have water rooted one and rooted another in soil (in a plastic baggie with high humidity - like Christina showed us) successfully. Just keep it warm, humid, and in some nice bright light.

H. sp. Bogor is believed to be the true verticillata and you can read about it here: http://www.myhoyas.com/Hoya%20verticillata%20min.htm (it's on my website).

H. crassicaulis is said to be one of the many clones of H. incrassata and I also have that one on my website: http://www.myhoyas.com/Hoya%20incrassata%20min.htm

H. pseudolitteralis is just another name for H. anulata, but I've been told anulata is the correct name. I haven't added that information on the anulata page on my website yet, but it's on my to-do-list. My H. anulata: http://www.myhoyas.com/Hoya%20anulata%20min.htm

If yours are the same as mine is hard to say from your photos, but the sp. Bogor sure looks like mine. Some leaves are wider and don't have as many spots as the one shown on my website.

Christina

Christina, what great info! I don't have either H. incrassata or H. verticillata. The leaves sure do look a like. I will make sure I put the corrected info on the labels. Thank you and God bless. -joanne

oh, LOVE your website! I would have thought as many times as I have look at your photos and read all the information there that some of it would have stuck in my brain... may be next time I go on an ordering spree I will check with you first :~)

Joanne, I never really change the name of a hoya completely. It's always good to have all the names/info saved in case you need to trace it or if the names change again... you never know in this hoya name confusion!

Glad you like my website. Thanks!

Christina

Christina, I mark all my hoya tags with this: the name I purchased it as, where I got it or who gave it to me, and the date. On the other side I write info like you gave me. This way I have all my bases covered. You ought to see the tag on my gobulosa/vilosa! I now HAVE to use the big long tags that Carol uses, just enough room :~) I appriciate you pointing that out. Have a great day! -joanne

Yep...I agree with Christina about sp. Bogor. True verticillata?...don't know about that but I do know that there many many many clones of verticillata in varying shape and sizes. No matter...I love em all!!! Looks like you got a wonderful order, Joanne!!!!

Hey Joanne, great hoya's. I like the leaves on the Bogar, I didn't know that it was the true verticillata. Learn something every day on here. And well now I will have to have one of these, because I love love love the verticillata's. Congrats on your new hoyas

Hummm I'll have to compare my sp. Bogar to joanne's.

Blessings,
Awanda

Great score, Joanne. Those look really healthy. How long were they in the box? I think I have one of Paul Shirleys H. camphorofolia. It has larger leaves and shorter internodes, but, have yet to get a bloom.
Mel

Yea for me! mel, they went into the mail on the 11th and arrived yesterday the 18th. The cuttings are not real big, but they are at least 4-6 nodes each and only the crassicaulis (incrassata) cuttings is kinda whimpy.

Awanda, please do and let me know what you think!

=joanne

Mel please email me or post a picture of your Paul Shirleys H. camphorofolia. I have a larger leaf hoya that I have labled as camphorofolia, I want to see if it's the same as what you have. TIA!

Blessings,
Awanda

Awanda, here are the 2 different H. camphorofolia I got from Paul Shirley.

and one more......

Joanne, please forgive me for posting on your post but I want to know if you might NEED this plant included in the "surprise package" I'm making for you today.

SO...you hoya experts out there....would you please tell me if this plant is the same as any of the cuttings that Joanne received from Amsterdam or if it's in the same family but a different plant.

This was sold to me by our friend Jody on Ebay as Hoya Verticillata. Now, I'm not questioning the ID of it in any way. What I would like to know is if it's different from the Verticillata that Joanne posted above.

Thank you,
Kim

Closeup of the leaves:

Kim, You are sending plenty! Don't give up a nice little beauty like that, Wait til' it grows and I will take a cutting! You are to sweet :~) Thank you so much for the offer it is appriciated more than you know. Take care and God bless you and yours. -joanne

joanne it's hard to tell, but yours doesn't look like the leaves on my big leaf camphorofolia. I"ll post a picture of mine in a bit.

Blessings,
Awanda

Awanda,

Is what I have pictured above the same as any of Joanne's or would this be a new one for her?

Thank you,
Kim

Hoya verticillata is Hoya verticillata. The leaves may differ a bit but the flowers are the same.

I am really sorry this is so blurry...but it is early morning and I just took this. Here is the leaf of H. camphorifolia IML 418. I took one of the redder ones so that the venation would stand out. Even on the green leaves the venation stands out. The margins are VERY recurved. Note the base of the leaf and how/where the petiole attaches to the leaf. Also note the long apex.

Carol

Here is the back.

Joanne, your small leaf and your large leaf are very different plants. Note their venation. These posts are in NO way trying to ID the hoyas by their leaves...but often you can discount what it is or isn't. BTW - I have heard that Paul Shirley is not really good about proper Identifications of his hoyas.

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OK, so since I don't really see any veining in my leaves, I'm going to assume that what was sold to me as Hoya verticillata is probably not.....right? This doesn't really bother me as I'm really not into trying to keep them named anymore....I just enjoy growing them. Some of them I know the names just by sight but I have already lost the identification on a few of mine which I don't give, trade, sell etc. to others until they can be identified as I know that is VERY important to most people.

Joanne, if you would like a piece of this "un-named" you are more than welcome to it. I would LOVE to share it with you.

Kim

Awanda, Soon Come on the photo. I'll get a picture over the weekend. I am still in shock that Joanne actually got someone to fall for your "I'll babysit your plant for you" line.
Mel

Line what line...I really and truly mean that with all my lil heart:-). That gives me an idea, maybe I should just use it on people who aren't on a forum:-).

Blessings,
Awanda

Here is the picture of what I have labeled as big leaf camphorofolia.

Blessings,
Awanda

Awanda....I am sure you are aware that width and length of leaves can vary within the same species....even the same clone and EVEN the same PLANT.. Some of the important aspects to look at are the base, the margins and the apex. While there CAN be leaves on the same plant with variations of the norm....the important thing to look for is the 'average' leaf: the margins, the base the apex and, of course, the venation. And...these are the weakest points of identification: the flowers are the ultimate determination.

Carol of course I understand that, I am however confused about your post.

Blessings,
Awanda

Sorry to be confusing....I confuse myself most of the time!

LOL My point is more for the newer collectors who perhaps are not as familiar with the fact that leaves are really hard to ID a plant by and that they can come in all shapes and sizes within the species and even on the same plant. I don't think there is any hoya called H. Wide Leafed camphorifolia....they are all H. camphorifolia. I shot this photo today: The two long leaves on the left are from my original H. camphorifolia and it grows out in a lot of high light. The three on the right are from the SAME plant which was a cutting from my original plant (those leaves on the left)....they grow in shade, no sun at all, not as bright light. The margins on the two long leaves with more light are MUCH more recurved than those grown in the shade.

Ok Carol I'm still confused, I didn't mention a H. Wide Leafed camphorifolia....I simply said I have hoya labeled as big leaf camphorofolia. That doesn't imply that is the correct name simply that the leaf is bigger than what is normally seen on camphorofolia. We all know that different growing conditions can produce different size leaves.

Blessings,
Awanda

Awanda, I guess I am still being fuzzy. What I am trying hard to say, for the collectors who are not as advanced nor learned as you are, is that the growing conditions can morph a leaf...and leaves can be different on a plant. Is that not clear with my picture? Gee...am I getting adlepated?

How neat to have such big leaves! Are ALL of the leaves on your H. camphorifolia just like that...uniformily wide? NeetO if they are.

I recently ordered some cuttings from Mr. Shirley. I received an email 8 days ago that my order had been shipped. I've been told that it usually takes around a week to get cuttings from him.

I didnt have anything in the mail today!!! How long before I should begin to worry!!!!


I knew when I placed the order that I was taking a risk,that there was a chance that the box could run into problems with customs. Hopefully it didnt and will be here in the next day or so.

dmichael

I was wondering if you received them or not David. Keeping my fingers crossed that they make it. Remember that Saturday was a holiday so that may have delayed it a day. Keep us informed...

Tami, I hope the holiday is all that held it up. But as I said, I was very well aware going into this of the risks in ordering plants internationally. If for whatever reason the cuttings dont show up then I will just have to accept that loss!

Too bad that there is no way to have tracked the progress of this package like we can do with our packages here in the states using delivery confirmation and such.

I'll keep you posted on what happens.


dmichael

Got my cuttings from Paul Shirley today!! Ther were pretty nice and still in good shape. I only got home from work and received them about 20 minutes ago.

I think i'm gonna make fresh cuts to the stems and soak them for a little while. I just cant decide if I want to try rooting them in the cloning machine or just in 4" pots of soil.

I think I like the idea that Carol had of making loops out of the cutting and placing them on their sides so they'll possibly root from each node.

dmichael

It does work David...especially useful when you have long vines with no leaves.....