MG ID

I'm sure this has been posted before but I can't find it. Anyone know the name of this one. Very tiny flowers about 3/4 in-1 in.
Prolific blooms. Lots of seed pods.
Jan...

Burgie i am gonna give you the same link Ron gave me. now i have one of these also but mine doesnt have hair like the one in the link. so if yours doesnt have hair then its some hybrid like mine. http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/647142/ its about half way down this thread torward the bottom.

I'll get some better pictures this weekend. It was too early in the am when I took this with my old digi.

Hi Jan,

The plant you are showing in the photo above is most likely either

Ipomoea lacunosa lavender form- degree of hair present may vary
Ipomoea triloba -
Ipomoea x leucantha - degree of overlapping features from parent species can vary over a wide range >making exacting ID's difficult(!)

Can you post a closeup of the sepals and/or the tops of the seedpods to show the amount of hair present and so I can see exactly what the sepals look like(?)...also if the anthers are showing any color pigmentation or not...

The shape of the seeds can also be very helpful...Ipomoea lacunosa usually has a pronounced hump on the back of the seeds...all the other species have no pronounced hump along the back(usually!)...Ipomoea triloba and Ipomoea x leucantha usually have relatively small and thiner seeds...also the exact coloration of the seeds can be helpful...

Are the leaves all heart shaped(?)...and does the upper leaf surface have a darker hued border around the perimeter or not(?)...can you feel(!) any hair on the leaves even if you can't see it (?)...

Convey what you can...if you can't post a closeup ...try a good verbal description and I'll try to narrow down the ID...

I'll do what I can >but this year(for some unknown reason) I've seen more overlapping features in these very closely related species than ever before...

TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Oct 12, 2006 8:25 AM

Hi Ron,
I'll get better pics and descriptions by the weekend.

Here are a few more pics but I can't get great closeups of the seed pods with my old digi. Hopefully, it can be ID's from these.

Leaf

Bloom

multiple blooms

seeds

Hi Jan, thanks for posting this. I transplanted a bunch of this from my back yard into containers thinking it was one of the other morning glories I have found in my yard - and then I thought it was bindweed...LOL! I'll have to look for seedpods on mine - I really like the tiny flowers.

~Sunny

Hi Jan - The flowers in the first photo you posted here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/budgielover_1160647391_220.jpg
look smaller,especially in comparison to the leaf size and to be more of a blue-purple color than the flowers in the photo here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/budgielover_1160832938_397.jpg
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/budgielover_1160832909_861.jpg
which seem to be larger in relation to the leaf size and are more of a pinkish color...

Do you have more than one plant that are showing appreciable differences in the bloom size and color(?)

Thanks for the additional photos...

I cannot say with any certainty what you have there...
The first photo looks most like the colored form of Ipomoea lacunosa to me...
The second series of photos looks closer to either Ipomoea x leucantha,Ipomoea cordatotriloba var.torreyana or Ipomoea triloba...

The plant(s) you are showing are definitely something in the very closely related group of plants that I've already mentioned that are all in the batatas series,but I'm not able to >with any certainty pin down precisely what it is that you are showing>based upon what I can see in the photos..


I'd be interested in some seeds...if there are plants showing different colored and different size blooms >i'd be interested in some seeds from plants showing any visual discernable different features...

Perhaps after seeing the seeds in person and growing the plant out I will be able to render a more definitive ID...

Hopefully a more definitive ID will be possible at some point...but I'm not going to say that I'm sure unless I really am sure...

That's the best I can offer at this point...

Thanks for sharing the photos...

TTY,...

Ron

Hi Ron,
The interesting thing is that I did not plant this. This is the plant that germinated in the pot I had labeled thunbergia fragrans from the seed you had given me. If you refer back to the pictures I sent assuming that it was t. fragrans, you can see how it started out. The other thing is that I have another unlabled pot that grew out the same plant. The first pictures I posted were from the pot labeled t. fragrans, the 2 photos above timed at 9:35am are from the second plant. All the other photos are from the plant labed t. fragrans. BTW, when I planted the t. fragrans, I started with new soil and pot so it is odd that this would come up in that pot as well as another. The only other MG I grew this summer besides the test seeds was Blue Silk so it didn't come from anything a planted either. It got a late start this year and is just beginning to bloom its head off so I wll hold back some of the seeds for next year.

Hi Jan,

The photos show a MG in the batatas series and nothing resembling a Thunbergia fragrans> so wherever the labeling error occured >at this point what is growing is some Ipomoeas in the batatas series with some observeable differences in the pot#1 and the pot#2 type of plants...so please keep the seeds from the different looking plants separated...

The seeds from various morning glories are eaten by grainivorous birds including quail,ringnecked doves and pheasant so the seeds are known to be dispersed by this group of natural wildlife vectors...

I've personally watched squirrels eating the seeds of Ipomoea hederacea and so spreading of the seeds by similar small seed-eating mammals(e.g.chipmunks) is also a real possibility...

Looking forward to any and all updates...

TTY,...

Ron

I do grow the ornamental batatas but the leaves are nothing like those even when the tricolor reverts back to normal and I cleared the area where the test plants were located to who knows. I do gets tons of wild ringneck and mourning doves around here.

Jan,

The way the above mentioned species of Ipomoea are categorized is as follows

Genus: Ipomoea
subgenus: Eriospermum
section: Eriospermum
series: Batatas

So,there are a number of different species in the genus of Ipomoea that are in the subtaxa(!) of >subgenus Eriospermum >section >Eriospermum >series Batatas

The subtaxa below the level of species allows for the grouping together of plants by the degree to which they are genetically related and by many common characteristics...so the term batatas could be the species or(!) the term used to designate and identify the 3rd subtaxa below the species level and in this case specifically the series batatas...

Ipomoea species in the series batatas include

Ipomoea batatas
Ipomoea cordatotriloba
Ipomoea cynanchifolia
Ipomoea grandifolia
Ipomoea lacunosa
Ipomoea littoralis
Ipomoea ramosissima
Ipomoea tabascana
Ipomoea tenuissima
Ipomoea tiliacea
Ipomoea trifida
Ipomoea triloba
Ipomoea umbraticola
Ipomoea ×leucantha



Two posts above I mentioned that

"The plant(s) you are showing are definitely something in the very closely related group of plants that I've already mentioned that are all in the batatas series,but I'm not able to >with any certainty pin down precisely what it is that you are showing>based upon what I can see in the photos.."

I hope this additional information regarding the taxanomic groups below the level of species helps to clarify how and why I referred to the plants you are showing as belonging to the batatas series...

TTY,...

Ron