It's been at least 4 maybe 5 years to get a bloom!
I've had buds twice before only to have them to drop off before opening.
These are real splotchy looking and not quite opening up all the way,but on the plus side more fragrant than any brug I have!!!
I am so impressed. I failed miserably with HG! Please keep posting pics as the blooms mature!
After 4 yrs. I tossed mine, never did bloom.
Here is a seedling I suspect was crossed with HG, mother Creamsickle.
You have done something that most of us here could not do and that is to get blooms on HG. I kept mine for years and never got a bloom. I had no idea they are so fragrant.
That mottley color will smooth out as the flowers age. Great going!
I love HG and have gotten blooms several times. None this year because I whacked mine down to the ground after Katrina because we had no electricity to pump water for so long. Nothing has grown as it should this year, so I don't have a Y yet.
You bet she's going into the greenhouse and I'll get that Y . After I get a Y, I spray Messenger on it and have never failed to get blooms after doing so.
Kay
Thanks All,
I was surprised too about the very strong fragrance,I just have 5 or 6 buds ,and only 2 are open.
I could smell the fragrance 25 ft away,and it was only 5pm,really not all that late in the evening.
This vareity is so hard to get to propagate,any suggestions,or tips to make it more successful?
With a few nites temperatures in the mid 40's the leaves are already starting to change colors here.
two years ago, I got my H.G. to bloom. My plant this year has been covered in buds most of the summer, but they never get any size and just drop off.
I have never had a hard time rooting this one. I just dip the end in rooting powder and stick it in the potting mix like any other.
The brug. I am having alot of trouble rooting is B. susanne. I lost every cutting I tried to root last year. I am dreading trying again this Fall.
Please give the Messenger a try. It seemed to stop the bud drop on my HG.
I have finally concluded that if you can get your brugs rooted before the end of October, most of them will make it. After that, I believe they naturally try to go dormant, and and dormant plant wants to rest....not root and grow.
I've gotten HUGE cuttings, 5-6 inches around, tried to root them in November, and the bark just slid right off of them......several of them.
Just my thoughts, here.
Kay
I so agree Kay, Patricia try rooting it now before it gets much cooler at night. They do slow down and the growth hormone that is so strong in the spring is gone so rooting gets harder and harder.
I had 2 huge HG plants. I never got buds till I sprayed with Messenger and then I did get buds but they dropped each time. Finally I said you are taking up space I could use on a bloomer and I set Tom on them. Even a few blooms would not have made it worth it to keep. But I sure love seeing other people's HG. Such a pretty flower. Does anyone know the parents of this shy bloomer?
Kell, like you, I want to make room for more seedlings next summer, so this one is going. I had a few scraggly blooms several years ago, but in the four or five years I have grown it, that has been all I have gotten.
Gaylams, I am going to go out tomorrow morning and give it a shot of messenger and see if that makes a difference.
CONGRATS! Put some of the smell in an envelope and mail it up here, I'll send postage! Guess I just wouldn't have the patience to baby for 5 or 4 years... Better brug Daddy than me a brug Mommy, Tropicman. Please post more pics as the blooms progress... Job well done!
Patricia, fingers and toes crossed that it will work for you! It did the trick down here in the hot humid south.
Of course, I'm still waiting to get my hands on a new orange double that blooms without having to spray anything special! I think there are a few around being tested!
Kay
Wow, what an interesting thread. Thank you all!
Erick
Shucks,I was wishing someone would come and say,yes once you get Hg blooming,it will bloom better and better every year!!!!!
Not sure about this but a few years back,wasn't people having a fungus or bacteria problem with HG?
I thought I remember a thread on this subject!!!
This messenger,does this spray work on all flowering plants?
I have several plants,Bower vine,double cream hibiscus,senna cassia,passifloras,that are several years old and naughta a bloom one ever!!!!
Aunt B,when I was young man no patience what so ever,now thats all I got!!!!!LOL
Here's a close up of the throat,now come closer to the screen,put your nose real close,scratch and sniff!!!!LOL
I couldn't keep the smell in the envelope,kept jumping back out at me!!!
You all root in water or soil?
Another side view
One more
Tropicman,
Yep, sorry to say that, as the years go by Herrenhauser Garten does not bloom any better. I think that the problem with HG that you are thinking about is, how it gets a "corky" type bark on the stem of the plant. Mine has it, it really is no big deal.
Another double to triple orange brug that I like better than HG is Desiree. It is almost identical to HG, if I did not have mine labled, I would not really be able to tell the two apart. The reason that I like Desiree a little better is, it won't drop its buds as bad as HG, but it does drop them. And the fragrance of Desiree is a little better and stronger than that of HG if you can beleive that.
Here is a pic of mine (Desiree) from last year. Mine has already bloomed a couple of weeks ago and I did not take any pics of it. I do have some more buds on it, but I may have to move it in for the winter before it gets to bloom again.
I just love your shots of HG. Close as I will ever come to them. LOL
I could be totally wrong but I recall people were talking about cork on the bark of HG which is supposedly not harmful.
Edited to say: Oh David posted about cork first...... I dawdle so much when I am typing. LOL. So it was cork!
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David your right they sure look a lot a like,is Desiree as big as HG?
Was this cork thingy a spreader to other brugs???
Sorry to hear the blooms don't get any better,had this plant so many years now,waiting for this day to come!!!!
Well looks like I'll have to wait on that double orange to come available too!!!
Kell you have fun driving thru those big nurseries!!!!
Bring plenty of money with you too!!!!LOL
Aaaah, I've got Desiree but have seen not blooms yet. Now I'm very eager.
Here's a picture of my HG to compare to your Desiree. I definitely see a strong resemblence.
And maybe it's just my imagination, but I do think my HG definitely blooms easier now than it did early on......if it will just hurry up and catch up with making a few Ys.
And yes, I spray Messenger on everything. Once you get it mixed you cannot keep it, so you might just as well use it up. Don't know if it's Messenger's work or not but I have a bloom on my Costus Barbatus ginger now. I'm not in the right zone for it and I've never seen a bloom before! (I think it is also blooming out of season.)
Kay
Kay there beautiful!!!
But your leaves are quite smaller than the leaves on my HG.
I have several gingers that have never bloomed,don't know the varieties,so where to you get this messenger,and can the poor afford it???
TM, my leaves are probably smaller because the darn thing was eaten alive with mites!
The name of the company is Eden Bioscience. When I bought mine (over the net) it was very expensive, but it's been on the market quite a while now, so it might have come down some.
I just googled on it and you can get a packet for $3.00. That's quite a decrease from what I paid.
Here is a link:
http://www.edenbio.com/garden/
What kind of gingers are you having trouble with? Those are my first love.
Kay
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Beautiful Pictures. I have buds on mine at the moment. From what I have read it prefers cooler weather so hopefull I will get to see the flowers.
Strange Kay, I have used Messenger all summer on my brugs and was down to my last 3 packets and since the weather is getting colder here I decided not to buy anymore for this year. Well, right after spraying for the last time this season is when I noticed buds on my HG, humm.
Dott
Crossing fingers that it works for you Dott!
Kay
Thanks Kay,will look it up.
The gingers are shampoo,and the swirl varigated one.amd one with a purple stripe down the middle of it's leaf,chinese beauty,and hidden ginger,naughta one has ever bloomed for me,over 2 years of age too!
The hidden and varigated chinese ginger both are over 6 ft tall too!
Dott,my fingers are crossed for you!!!
Thanks, I will post if they bloom.
I'll be waiting!!!
I'm sure they will.with this warm weather coming your way maybe!!!
Tropicman, I was talking to my friend, Barbara Ward, today. She has about a million gingers and knows a lot about them. She told me that the pine cone gingers will not flower unless they go two years without freezing. I had never heard that before, but was wondering why mine had not flowered hereas they had at our previous house.
They are blooming now, and our coldest weather last winter was a couple of non-extended periods of 26 degrees, so maybe the freezes were so light and so short it didn't faze the rhysomes. Maybe that is the secret.
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At 26* did they die back to the ground?Get winter burn to the foliage?
Mine are in 5 gallon containers!!!
Thanks for the info!!!
All my gingers in the ground die back to the ground every year....or have as long as I can recall.
Tony just d-mailed me that he dumps ice around his and sprays with the water hose to distribute the cold. What a COOL idea!!!!!!! (Don't just just love double meanings?) I'll bet that would work, and I just might be for trying it this year!
Thanks, Tony!
Kay
Well That sounds like a good idea,make your own winter storm!!!
And they say you can't fool mother nature!!!!
Erk! When I read Tony's message I must have been in a fog. My friend said that the pine cone gingers need two years WITHOUT freezing to bloom. Tony's idea sounds like it would surely be worth a try for plants that need a very brief chill to bloom, but gingers are tropical and they don't need cold.
Meantime, Liz, who has a ginger nursery said that the pine cones DO NOT need to be left two years without freezing in order to bloom. So now we are still left with they original question about why people have such a hard time getting them to bloom.
What I'm wondering is this: The blooms are short and grow up underneath some dense foliage. I'm wondering if people might need to sort of dig into the foliage to find the blooms and they just expected them to be more visable.
Hi Don! I didn't see this thread before. Congrats on your HG blooms! Yippee! I got blooms the year before last on my HG but not last year. If no blooms this year, then it may go away permanently. I too get the terrible-looking bark on HG, and I think all my B. verisicolors get it in the wintertime as they are the most susceptible to cold weather. My brugs stay outside all year. Here is my HG in November of 2004.
I think my 'Duchess' is prettier, and she blooms several times a year and has a great fragrance!
She's definitely not as dark orange though -- at least in my climate. We'll have to see if she is darker in another climate.
Gaylams,Well maybe your right about checking more often into the foliage for a bloom.but I think I do when I water everytime,because I'm hoping so much for a bloom.then the alphina gingers are shell bloomers but they will be on the outside of the foliage,one is approaching 7ft now,so I hope it blooms soon!!!
Clare the Duchess is definately more prettier than HG.also looks a bit larger as well!
My hg has a problem getting the inner floer to emerge all the way,but the Duchess seems to have no problem at all!!!
I love the pine cone gingers. I think I may try that one. I bought those fancy rose looking ones and all 3 died. I was so sad.
Clare your Duchess is gorgeous!! So pretty!
Kell , I can't hardly believe you had one plant die,but three!!!!
I picture you with a green aura around you!!!LOL
Well if anyone can make them bloom it would be you!!!
If not buy one with it blooming already!!!LOL
Sorry I'm wound up tonite!!!!!
Thanks, you guys. I like her a lot too. She throws triples all the time too. Susie said that is probably the 'Tiara' parent in her because 'Tiara' does that a lot too. I just wish she was a shade darker.
So sorry about the gingers, Kell! Your new orange is amazing and a gorgeous color.
