The other two seeds of the three I was able to get from the cross are now flowering. Here is a picture of the new ones. The one on the left is much smaller and has minimal barring .. the one on the right is bigger has very distinctive barring. The color is the same. The leaves still favor the Mini-bar in shape but no varigation.
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Here is a comparison of the three. The top is the first seed and the bottom are the two other seeds. Dare I hope this cross is stable?
X
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Here is another picture .. the sepals on both are identical in shape and hairyness.
Close up of the sepals
X, I really enjoy your pictures. The diffused lighting of the greenhouse does well! The blue color of these F1 hybrids is very nice. They will not be stable...
What you have with these plants is the somewhat uniform nature of F1 hybrids of true strains. You have created a beautiful Pandora's box! Now the next generation of plants from seed of these plants (F2) will open Pandora's box! You will likely see red and blue flowers, some star shaped like the picotee and some round like the minibar parent and some like your F1. The neat variegation of the Minibar will show up as well as plain green leaves. Some of the plants should have the smaller growth habit and smaller flowers of the Minibar. You should see various combinations of all of these traits! Depending on how many seedlings you grow - you may even find all of these combined in one plant..except for the flower color which probably will be either/or in various ranges.
Good Luck and continue to be venturesome! - Arlan
Thanks Arlan & Joseph.
Ever conscious of accusations of fraud concerning flower color in digital photographs, I rarely if ever correct color on the pictures not in full sun, of flowers I take. The true test or clue of altered colors is to look at the greens. In this picture below, the top is what the camera faithfully saw with a blue shift because the light was reflected light going through dirty greenhouse panels as the sun was just coming up. The bottom is what my eyes beheld. I corrected the color on it. I did not in anyway enhance the color, just decreased the blue shift to normalize the color, making it appear true to what full sun would produce. I have been into photography since the late 60's and had my own studio so my corrections were based on my many years of experience.
The color of these flowers appear right smack in the middle of the indigo to violet range of the spectrum.
X
They are very pretty. I love the clear blue color. You should get some very pretty results and learn a few things along the way.
X- The outer sepals are hairy...the inner sepal is not hairy...just taking note...
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Xeramtheum_1159359536_470.jpg
TTY,...
Ron
wow!!! If they weed again.. can a get a few and try some!
they are awesome!
Thanks .. As soon as the greenhouse is completely ready for winter and if I can get Ron's jungle under control, I'll plant some seeds from this generation. Arlan is telling me it will be a free for all as to what they will look like, but I'm hoping there won't be too much variation, though varigated foliage would be nice! If the F2's don't go nuts, I'll probably send some seeds out to see if I can get a stable cross.
X
X-
Many of the F2's selected and self pollinated will start approaching stability in future generations, especially those displaying recessive traits. Some of the recessive traits involved in this cross would be....red color, star shaped flowers, variegated leaves, and small "Minibar" stature.
Some of the other traits, such as the blue color could come back true, but they could also still be carrying a single unexpressed factor for pink (magenta) which could show itself in future generations.
...food for thought!
Arlan
Now you've got me all excited Arlan .. When I do start more seeds I am going to take one plant and spray the beejeebers out of it with GA to see if I can speed things up.
X
Xeramthium, congrats on the baby blues. Good blue too. And you only started with three seeds. I hope you are keeping a journal so you won't forget any of the details and some of the rest of us could try to repeat what you did. I would like to hear how many seeds were produced in the first season from these three.
you are going to need lots of seeds for next year to begin stabilizing the blue befor F7 hopefully, and lots of local help like family that has space to grow them. You guys are hot. Do you have a journal for this project somewhere that I could visit. Lol. We start these little hobbies and BAM,
then it explodes logarithymically, and exponentially.
It is like the winter that I got a bug up my nose to grow Beafsteak tomatoes the next spring. I collected from every seed catolog and in March planted in a cell tray 280 seeds. THEY ALL GREW. EXPONENTIALLY, The first transfer was to 2 inch pots, and then three weeks later to 4 inch pots. By now I was begging people to plant a garden and take off my hands some of these tomatoe plants. 280 x 4" pot =31 square feet of surface are in you windows and elsewhere in your home during the depressing winter weather. Didn't do that again A couple packets of seeds took over 3% of my home.. I am looking at greenhouses now. Frank
Hi Frank .. the whole saga is on Daves. It started with a Double Blue Picotee that was sprayed with Messenger ...
5/23/6
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/606218/
5/25/6
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/607268/
8/24/6
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/643338/
9/2/6
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/646921/
9/18/6
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/652580/
X
Frank, I can identify with your tomato experience! I did the same thing with heirloom tomatoes a couple years ago....only to reaffirm the difficulties of successfully growing tomatoes in the humid south.
X - I tried to figure out a way to use the journal feature of DG to keep track of a "volunteer grow out" this fall. The seed was from an obvious hybrid of a Minibar rose like plant. I wanted to document and keep track in some fashion the different plants to help in selecting next generation (F2) seed to grow. I didn't have anyplace to transplant the seedlings so let them grow where they came up...very crowded. Unfortunately, the rust ran rampant through them, and very few survived too long after blooming several times. I am gone all week on business, so didn't even attempt to counter attack the rust.....Gardner2005 has offered some suggestions in countering this in the future...Thanks Gardner!!
Here is the journal involved: http://davesgarden.com/journal/edit/viewbycat.php?cat=42529
One thing the journal did for me was allow me to keep pictures and notes of individual plants organized and I was able to access the data while I was away from home... I'll probably use this journal feature again next year as I have developed the system to keep track of parentage, which will be interesting and valuable down the road..
Just one idea... - Arlan
