Why are some Clerodendrums called glorybowers and others are not? Are all Clero's glorybowers and if so what does glorybower mean? Boy that is a mouth full.
Clerodendrum Question
Dunno, Sunny. I think 'glorybower' would be the same as 'gloriousbower' and I thought bower meant 'branch' or 'garland'. I only know of the C. trichotemum(sp?) as Glorybower. Are there more?
Yes there are. Just to give you an idea do a seach on Dave's site for Clerodendrum and you will see what I mean. I was hoping someone could explain it to me. I have people come up to me all the time and say they have a
glorybower and that is the only name they know the plant by. Each time it seems like a different Clero. I sure would like to know why they are called that.
I got this from: dictionary.reference.com
Glory: something that is a source of honor, fame, or admiration; a distinguished ornament or an object of pride. resplendent beauty or magnificence. a state of great splendor, magnificence, or prosperity. a ring, circle, or surrounding radiance of light represented about the head or the whole figure of a sacred person, as Christ or a saint; a halo, nimbus, or aureole.
Bower: A shaded, leafy recess; an arbor. a person or thing that bows or bends. a leafy shelter or recess; arbor.
I also remember coming across it in a few Christmas webpages. I'm not sure how to put this together to make sense.
I have a medinilla myriantha that is experiencing leaf curl. I am in z8. I have the plant in the house because I thought the 90's on my roofed deck would be hot since we have low humidity. One side has completely curled. Would the curl be caused by a spider or other critter? It is not dry as I have checked it with a meter. The plant is in a sun room that gets morning sum where it is sitting. Help
There you go...another way common names get all confused!!! I think folks just hear Glory Bower once, connect it to Cleros. and it sticks for all of them.
kamikidL: I don't know anything about that plant so I can't help you. I sorry.
AlohaHoya: I agree. You mention Cleros and the first thing I hear is I have a Glory Bower and it is agressive. Some Cleros are some aren't but I wish they would get rid of the name Glory Bower and call them by the bontanic name or at least the common name that doesn't use GB in it. Sure would make it a whole lot easier when we are talking about Cleros.
I'm beginning to think there may be millions of clerondendrum species. Now if I could just figure out which of the many I own that aren't invasive down here and won't take over the yard--I'd have it made in the shade. =)
At least then I could use these pots they are all in, except for the ugandense, for something better or at least more valuable. lol
I've only heard of the one species referred to as Glory Blower.
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kamikid--I would start a new thread with your question, it doesn't relate to what this thread was about so you'll get more answers if you start your own
I've seen in Plant Files there are several different clero's that are called Glory Bower, but personally I'm with you guys on the common name thing, it makes it way too confusing. I always try to stick with the botanical names, at least that way there's much less confusion! I'm not even sure how many in PF have the real common name Glory Bower, or if one got put in that way, and then every other clero that people added they put that common name in too!
DMJ1218: Living in Galveston County off Hwy 6 I grow a few Cleros in the ground.
Clerodendrum bungei: Very, Very, Invasive
Clerodendrum wallichii: Not one sucker out of several years in ground.
Clerodendrum ugandense: Not one sucker out of several years in ground.
Clerodendrum quadriloculare : I get about one sucker a year from this plant. I do have it in part shade and that may be the reason it doesn't sucker or bloom but what beautiful foliage it has. I am going plant where it will get more sun and see what happens. I have the variegated one to for about 1 1/2 years and it hasn't suckered on me either.
Clerodendrum incisum: I'll have to see about this one. I've only had it in the ground for less than a year.
I hope this has helped you on which ones are invasive in our area.
Sunny--I have all those except bungei and several more too. Incisum is proving to be invasive here. I'm off hwy 6 north of 10. I'm real familiar with this family of plants.
Thank you and I will do that.
dmj: Do you have yours in the ground or the pot? Has your Clerodendrum quadriloculare bloomed for you? Do you know where I can find the variegated Clerodendrum bungei? It is suppose to be out this year. I plan on keeping it in a pot with a saucer so I can keep it under control. I'm sure I will be sniping roots every few weeks. Cleros are one of my favorite plants.
The variegated bungee is called pink something...when I get a chance I'll look it up for you.
incisum is in ground
quadriloculare is still in my "holding pen" (shade--pot) while I try to decide if I want to keep it or not. It was just given to me by a frind in early July as a small rooted plant.
The variegated bungee is called pink Diamond. The quadriloculare foliage is so awsome. It is so full and has a triangle shape. This is one of my favorite cleros. Everyone just drools when they see it. I only get one or two suckers a year with this one and I have a line of people at the swaps wanting to trade for it.
I think the Clerodendrum quadriloculare is a winter bloomer, or early spring. Usually in the cooler time of the tropics- In Hawaii they bloom in FEB, MAR. - so I don't know how that will affect them in non tropical US mainland.
Rj
Hey Randy--I know I'm not to crazy about incisum or quadro here--how about you?
Deb
Yeah- my quadro has never bloomed. they seem to be more picky about sun than the other. My borneo sunset is blooming pretty good right now. It is growing a little nub that I'm going to try and propagate for Carol.
Quadro is a late winter bloomer, I wonder if you're in a borderline zone for it and it gets a little too chilly maybe that's why it doesn't bloom? I kept mine in my pseudo-greenhouse (covered patio wrapped in greenhouse plastic) and it bloomed fine for me. Since it was on the covered patio, it didn't get a ton of sun, plus since it was winter it was typically quite cloudy as bloom time approached and it didn't seem to make a difference.
I'm not sure what the problem is with it not blooming but I have been told and read that it does need full sun to bloom. I have an extra one and plenty of full sun places to plant it. I'm going to give it a try and see if it makes a difference. I might even try and make a micro climate to plant it in. It could be that it needs more heat not sun for it to bloom.
Does anyone know much about Clerodendrum trichotomum? I just received one.
Yes, I was thinking exactly that- Also it is a young plant. The non varigated do bloom. I do notice though that the majority of the clerodendrums I have bloom much better in the ground than in pots- except the panticulum- the size I have seems to prefer the pot. it's one of the few I have taken out of the ground and put into a pot and it bloomed. I think the location in the ground got too shady for it.
Donot get c. indicum. Interesting when it blooms but very invasive and boring when not blooming. I have c. specciossissium (sp?) and although it will spread, it pulls up easily so easy to control beyond it's desire location. I had bungei in a pot and without realizing it, the roots grew through and I had several pop up elsewhere in the bed. Fortunately it was contained in the concrete bed and didn't spread.
Jan...
I have bungei, I have rarely seen plants that can travel so far so fast as that one does.
Sounds like I need some Clerodendrum bungei in my yard!!
I agree incisum is messy but it's just bloomed in the 4th flush since June. It did just as well in a pot and its going back in the pot. It's also flinging seed everywhere.
plenty to spare!
Yes mine is on it's 4th flush tonight. It's odd how sychronized the incisum are- virtually all of ours have bloomed together almost to the day- I have one in the shade, and one in afternoon sun- they both bloom at the same time.
I aquired bungei on a walk last summer in an alley- at the time I didn't know it was a clerodendrum, nor they could travel so far. I've only had 1 bloom so far this summer. It gets mostly sun.
Oh, but bungei smells so good! (The flowers, that is) It spreads, but at least it gives you something in return!
If the weather is good (its raining now) I'll be posting a photo of an unnamed Walmart clerodendrum tomorrow and hopefully one of you can ID it. I couldn't resist it but I sure would like to know which one it is! I have grown quite a few in the past but I didn't know this one.
Wallichii was always my favorite, unfortunately I left it when I moved to S. GA from S. FL.
You mentioned hundreds of varieties, if I remember there are a bunch listed in my Exotica II book, it was the holy grail when I lived in 10a and I haven't even opened it since I moved to 8a. I'll have to check!
plantnutga
Kinda scary Randy...think they are 'talking' to each other? =)
Deb
That would be cool! Will you check and see if there is a vine from Africa? I'm interested to see if there are vines other than the bleeding heart, splendens, glory bower category. This is in reference to Clerodendrum calamitosum I bought this summer. What ever it is it is climbing, and is a rather large vine- which doesn't fit the shrub description I read about it.
I have aquired Clerodendrum heterophyllum this summer, and look forward to it blooming. I think I will keep it potted until next summer.
I have Wallichii...do they bloom in a pot? I think it had a few blooms last winter.. It doesn't seem to care for too much full sun. I probably should put it in the ground.
might be Deb.
You have to admit Randy--it is weird. Our two incisums are growing a good 20 miles from each other and continue to bloom right at the same time all summer long. Solar flares? air pollution levels? arrangement of Venus and Mars over the beltway? hazardous waste spills on the katy freeway? =)
Yes...and modene as well.
Even the two in my back garden, as far apart of the garden as they are, with different sun exposure- blooms at the same time.
Re the question on trichotimum: Mine makes a small tree in zone 8a. Its common name is Peanut Butter Shrub because if you crush the leaves and have a good imagination, they smell like peanut butter.
It blooms small pink blooms in summer, which turn into the neatest red bracts with a bright blue button in the center!
Butterflies are supposed to love them and I plant all kinds of butterfly plants. I've never seen a butterfly on trichotomum yet.
It suckers some, but not as much as bungeii. Anyway, all you have to do is mow the suckers down if you don't want them. They make great trading material!
Gaylams I love that plant never heard of it but those are cool flowers.
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Actually, I believe the picture shows the seed pod starting. It is very similar to the c. indicum seed pods.
Jan...
Then that is a cool seed pod.
Randy,
When I grew Wallichii I grew it in partial shade, I was in this weird little microclimate in zone 10a or 10b (depending on the source) and I found that almost nothing liked full sun in my yard.
I can't get the Exotica II book out yet, it's waaaaaaay over my post-surgery weight limit, but I'll have my son get it out of the book shelf tonight and see what vines are listed.
It's pouring rain right now so I STILL can't get a photo of the new C. I need id help with!
plantnutga
Those seed pods sure don't look like the seed pods on my incisum.
They do look alot like c. indicum seed pods though. I would have to see the plant to tell.
Can anybody tell me: How much cold can my Clerodendrum Quadriculare tolerate?
It is such a pretty bush with that purple on the backs of the leaves. I was hoping to be able to leave it in the ground, but I'm in zone 8a. No chance, huh?
Thanks.
Kay