CLOSED: Which Katydid am I?

I've searched and searched, trying to identify this female katydid nymph that I found on my rosemary this afternoon. The best I could do was to finally get down to two choices: Scudderia furcata, a female bush katydid, or S. curvicauda, the Curve-tailed bush katydid female. Even as adults, they say the two are difficult to tell apart unless they are found with a male. I'd surmise that they would be equally difficult to identify as nymphs - but I am a neophyte, as far as bugs are concerned, so I really have no idea! Can anyone help I.D. my katydid?

Thanks!

Here she is from a different angle.

Edited to add:
Please disregard this photo. It's not the one I intended.

This message was edited Aug 17, 2006 11:16 PM

Oops! Sorry, the last pic wasn't the one I intended. Let me try again...

Are there any katydid experts out there?

This looks like the same one, but no name. There are others but none match

http://www.pbase.com/tmurray74/image/31927230

A list of Katydids, (sounds funny), some pics but yours is a nymph so not an easy one

http://natl.ifas.ufl.edu/katydid.htm

A very long list of Katydids north of Mexico

http://buzz.ifas.ufl.edu/katylist.htm#phaneropterinae

Thanks, wallaby, for the information. I feel like I've looked at every katydid picture on the Internet! Sad thing is, I'm still no closer to an ID. It's such a toss-up between the two species I mentioned before. I look at the photos over and over, but the differences must be ones that aren't readily noticeable to the naked eye. I sure can't see 'em, anyway!

Thanks again,
Linda

From what I've learned .. just from our BugFiles and the research (that I am able to retain, that is! hee) - your lil green jumper, looks to be in the nymph stage .. of either a grasshopper or a katydid.

But, judging from those eyes - I'd lean toward a katydid nymph. * See the lil immature wings!?!

See .. if this mite hep you out a wee bit. * There's a bunch of 'em on there .. so ya may wanta give 'em ample time to load!
> http://bugguide.net/index.php?q=search&keys=Katydid&search=Search

- Magpye

This message was edited Aug 20, 2006 2:50 PM

Thanks, Magpye. I'd already looked extensively at BugGuide.Net; that's how I got it narrowed down to two species. That's the whole problem - it's a nymph and and female. The ovipositor (isn't that the long thing that sticks out the end of her abdomen?) looks real similar in both Scudderia furcata and Scudderia curvicauda. WIthout a male present, it seems almost impossible to tell which one it is!

Oh well...I'll keep lookin'! I might find the answer out there somewhere!

Thanks again!
Linda

Just posting some pics of the species you mention

http://buzz.ifas.ufl.edu/063pf4.htm

http://www.pbase.com/crocodile/grasshoppers2004

The ovipositor on Scudderia curvicauda in this pic looks a differernt colour

http://www.raupplab.umd.edu/bugweek/archive/BugOfWeek_36.html

Hmm, if this is a correct ID it looks the same as the other one!

http://bugguide.net/node/view/10112