Here is a pretty bright pink flower with med green leaves. This looks brilliant with the bright pink flowers and lime green leaves. It is not scarlet O Hara because it is lighter,brighter and more of a pinkish color that that one. I do not think it is Heian Umi. I obviously have another misplaced label. It is a small flower about 2 - 3"
Any ideas? Have fun guessing. :)
gardener2005 - Most of the SOH going around looks like that,but SOH should have a solid colored tube with no white except for the white color displayed by the filament bases...The bloom you posted above looks like the Wine'N' Roses like in the PlantFiles database here
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/93107/
TTY,...
Ron
It looks like I have both the SOH and Wine and Roses. I took a picture of the two flowers for a comparison.
Thanks for the ID help!
The Wine and Roses have bigger leaves. The comparison picture shows the Wine and Roses leaves and I stuck the SOH flower up there to compare the centers of the flowers. Wine and Roses and leaves are on the right and SOH on the left.
Ron, I think you may have been thrown off by the way I took the picture because the flower on the left is the one I first posted at the top of the thread. It has smaller lighter colored leaves and the arial view shows white only on the inside and solid color across the top of the flower.
It has a very pretty rosy pink I like and it seems lighter in flower color and even the leaves are lighter than the SOH I grew last year.
This time somebody did goof my order. It was supposed to be a large flowered pink not a small flowered pink but I still like it and appreciate the way it is putting on lots of buds. It is a SOH though a bit lighter than the one I grew last year.
Thanks for the compliments!
This message was edited Jul 8, 2006 6:08 PM
gardener2005 -- From my perspective the color characteristics of the bloom is the most important and primary feature of the Scarlett O'Hara...the leaves are variable(e.g. heart,trilobed.cicada or dragonfly) and are secondary to the look of the bloom...
When I grew SOH in the early 60's,the color was a definite crimson,unlike no other flower color around today...and the tube(!) was a solid color...that means that if you were to cut the flower in half to be able to see the total length of the inner sidewalls of the tube,the sidewalls would be totally colored crimson...So,unless I see flowers that are truly crimson(that means no shade of pinkish or purple) and with a solid crimson tube,verified(!) by a vertical cutaway of the entire depth of the tube...the flower in question is not displaying the old fashioned color as I have seen it...just my opinion...others are certainly free to 'envision' SOH as they like...but once you see the right color in person...it can't be mistaken for any other...
I haven't seen any(!) flowers with the real old fashioned coloration available on the 'market' anywhere by any company or from any traders...although,I do expect to see the real old fashoined coloration available again sometime this season...
TTY,...
Ron
P.S. The old fashioned SOH plant,sepals and bloom are very similar to the Ipomoea nil cultivar "Candy Pink",but on the SOH the blooms are a rich crimson...also,real "Candy Pink" does not look' reddish',but a rich solid pink(!)...I 'm hoping to see some updated and high quality images true to old fashioned color,of both SOH and CP added to the PlantFiles sometime this season...
There are images in the PlantFiles of both SOH and CP,but they are not representative of the Old Fashioned types as I've seen them
scroll down the page to view the commentary that I added to this next link
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/74/index.html
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/88943/
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/72691/index.html
This message was edited Jul 8, 2006 10:09 PM
I`m reluctant to call it Scarlet O Hara. I blinked a couple times when I saw it and just wondered,"What is this?" :)
There is what I believe is a Scarlett O Hara volunteer from last year growing out front and I`ll keep an eye on that. We will see if that one has the right color later.
Here is one that is supposed to be Berry Ice with a picoted white edging but this one has what I`d call some frosting around the edges.
This was the ad picture.
And this is the flower I grew from the seeds off this ad. It looks different. It is beautiful as it develops the flowers are getting larger more intense in color but the white is staying like a frosting around the edges.
I wonder if some of the flowers I am growing have reverted back to a more common JMG form. They are not throw aways by any means but could it be that some people raising them may not have known how to stay after it breeding for type sort of the way dog breeders can stray away from the standards of a breed?
I will call these flowers small flowered pink JMGs just what they are.
This is why Ron advocates handpollination so much as he do. When people say open pollinated they dont say how many other MG:s the have growing or how many the neighbours have or how many the next county has. in the end the original flower is SO mixed with pollen from various other MG:s that they sometimes are beyond recognition.
Yet the same person sells the seeds as the real deal.
However :0)) Pretty MG
Janett
I`m seeing one of the vines seems to have a better edge than the others.So far the crosses I have done took because I see the pods forming. Wish me good look keeping these vines going true to type.
I will buy new seed every year and simply select and do hand pollinating to try and keep the flowers looking like they are supposed to. It is a fun hobby and worth all the work!
These flowers are changing. The flowers are now looking like the picture in the ad. The first flowers have a little frosting around the edges but now they are turning out with more white.
One more close up of berry ice.
Awesome!
The original Berry Ice here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2485935
looks to be closer to the 'reddish' spectrum,while the one shown here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2538009
looks closer to the blue-purple spectrum,...the two are not the same color...although the original does looks like it has the same blueish-purple mixed into it...still,both are very nice to my eye...
TTY,...
Ron
The first flowers on mine looked like a light white frosting around the edges then over time the white became more pronounced. The same vine that put out the lightly frosted flowers began to put out the ones with more white so the flowers do change as the vine matures at least on mine they have. You can see the change by viewing the first picture I posted.
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2485977
and compare to what the flowers look like now.
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2538009
This message was edited Jul 25, 2006 1:36 PM
