Viburnum ID?

This on is rather scarce in my area and I've seen it growing as high as 6000' in North Carolina Mountains.

conifer50

You and your frugal photos, conifer50; I know, you want to challenge us.

I'd go with Viburnum lentago though there are characters that remind me of Viburnum prunifolium.

Oh, for a bit of bark, or a stray bud or two...

Conair50,

You must live in a horticulturally very exciting area.

Scott

VV........You're probably right about ID, I had offhandedly just assumed it was a "Witherod" specimen. There were several growing around the perimeter of a swampy area and I noticed that foliage on new upright growth was extremely glossy and waxy! I'll get more detailed pic's next trip.

Decumbent......Yep!......"Variety is the spice of life"

conifer50

Well, there you go...make me second-guess.

It's too dark to go out and look at the limited provenance of my seedling V. cassinoides. It doesn't resemble the various V. nudum that much that I have here, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Oh, for some dimensions on the whole plant? Nannyberry wants to be more of a tree, as you probably already know. If this devil is pretty much shrubby (and a swamp rat), then it's leaning towards your assumption. Nannyberry isn't afraid of some shiny foliage, though, and blackhaw hangs out in riparian zones pretty regularly.

Maybe someday I'll get to tag along on some of your adventures; the Smokies and Blue Ridge are quite the plantsman's paradise.

I'd go with V. lentago--they are denizens of the swamp around here. One can always throw out V. x jackii when in doubt!

I don't think that's nannyberry -- the drupes are wrong. Looks more like blackhaw to me.

Well, I just went out to look and see. It sure doesn't have the leaves of any of my V. prunifolium, which are all more rounded. This is 'Summer Magic'

It's also not as acuminate or serrate as V. lentago

So, I think I will take the easiest exit and go with a hybrid of V. prunifolium and V. lentago, affectionately known as V. x jackii. Notice the resemblance?

Well I made it back to the "Viburnum Patch" today and made some more pics.........Does this photo add any "light" to the ID in question?

conifer50

Here's a view from the "top"

......'and the view of the bark on a 15' specimen close at hand!....
.....Note that it is surrounded White Turtlehead(Chelone glabra)...

conifer50

I've circled the field several times, dumping fuel and preparing for the runway-covered-with-foam belly skid.

I'm landing in the Viburnum cassinoides camp, rather than the Viburnum nudum because of the serrations on the non-lustrous lighter green leaf edges and the terminal bud forming. I haven't found serrations to speak of on any of the Viburnum nudum I have growing here (5 different clones and a bunch of BBB seedlings) but the seedling Viburnum cassinoides DO have serrations along with some, not all, of the clonal Viburnum cassinoides (3 different clones, 3 seedling forms). Also, that bark on that size plant doesn't fit any of the tree-sized species like Viburnum lentago, Viburnum prunifolium, or Viburnum rufidulum.

I would believe you would have the opportunity for both species in your haunts, and since they are closely inter-related (some rate Viburnum cassinoides as a varietas of Viburnum nudum) it boils down to taxonomic preference.

What I'd love to see is the advancement of more memorable names for these extraordinary plants. Witherod sounds like Ichabod's androgynous sibling.

I am going to promulgate swamp haw viburnum or wild raisin for Viburnum cassinoides.

I like possumhaw viburnum, smooth viburnum, or lustrous viburnum for Viburnum nudum.

In any matter, both of these are incredibly easy to grow plants with exceptionally handsome foliage summer and fall, and the eye-popping array of fruit transformations (from green to cream to pink to red to blue to black; there's something for everyone) are simply stunning.

Why don't you have both in your garden already?

VV, they're an interesting group for sure but up 'till now have just enjoyed seeing them in their native setting!

conifer50

BTW heres the background flowers from the first of the last 3 post!