does anyone know about this tree please

somone was asking for 50 seedlings or seeds of Loblolly ?? i just gotta know lol.. what it looks like or is..??

It's a pine. Pinus taeda

http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/loblolly_pine.htm

Or Loblolly Bay, Gordonia lasianthus
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/56021/index.html

thanks now i can see it and wonder why someone wants that many..gosh first one thats lot wants 2nd one i can see that one lovely flower..

I should have said in my previous message that the Loblolly pine is probably a more common plant, and Gordonia may not get by in your zone (believe it needs zone 8). So this person was most likely looking for the pine, but I wanted to throw the other out there just in case.

"Loblolly" actually is a wetland habitat type, and some of the plants that grow there are called "loblolly _____" (fill in the blank). But I agree with all the above that it's probably the pine they're asking about.
Guy S.

Loblolly pine is a dime a dozen around here. It's sometimes used as windbreaks or shadetrees, but mostly for pulp (paper).

loblolly pines, imo, are a pain in the butt. If you can plant a hardwood instead, do it. They are not attractive, again imo, its a straight trunk with only the very top having branches, they drop needles like crazy and in the spring they release a yellow pollen that is everywhere-including in your car if you dare to leave your windows open. Everything, and I mean everything is covered with this yellow pollen for a few weeks. The pine cones hurt when you walk on them barefoot-or when you pick them up -can you tell I am not a big fan of this tree??? lol

Pinus palustris or Pinus elliotii are better choices in my opinion. Not sure if they would be hardy in Oklahoma though.

not for me another lady asking for them i thought ugly to..lol... i need wind break not them.. thanks

I don't think loblolly pine is ugly, but it's wood is a little more brittle than other pines I mentioned.

Old Postulate:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Guy's First Corollary:
Where something is common, it is often considered ugly; where it can't easily be grown, it is gorgeous.

i thought for pine was ugly tree Starhillfrorest both are great wonderful quotes..last very true it seems..

lol about the closest I could park my car and not get pollen in and outside of it would be your yard!! This area is covered with them. I might add that its the first tree to come down in our infamous hurricanes or ice storms

Well said Guy!! The common is mundane. However there are quite a few drawbacks to this tree. I had black pine and it behaved itself-unlike the loblolly. Think of me as the black pine and Equil as the loblolly-esp since she thinks it is so majestic ..

I like Loblolly. It grows quickly. And I love all those pine needles it drops...I rake it up when it is clean and cover it and use it as attractive mulch all year.

Pollen happens and pine pollen will get on your car whether it is your trees or someone else's. It only lasts about 3 weeks.

Before I sound totally neurotic, I should add that I grow bedding plant annuals for a living, and that during this time that the pollen is releasing, I have thousands of annuals outside and they are covered with the pollen. It makes it very hard to see any problems with the plants as the foliage is yellow with pollen. Its a obstacle I have do deal with, but I don't like it.

its not to me a pretty tree but thats my likes, i do know what is pretty and not so please no slap up side head had enough them to last me lifetime...... i saw a weeping antler cedar its so awesome you will proabably say its ugly but they are expensive but i seen on t.v. was really neat.. Maybe loblolly is awesome to you fine we all know our own likes ,dislikes.. Glad its a HAVEN for the birds and feed. Pollen i hate its horrible here seems yr. round sinus's.

They grow like weeds around here and I've always taken them for granted. They are the first to be bulldozed by developers, the first to fall in a storm, the first to spew pollen in the spring, and aren't very attractive compared to pines with thick lower branches. Didn't particularly care about them until reading this thread but...............

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THREE CHEERS FOR THE LOBLOLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Equil you are right. They do host a lot of birds. We enjoyed feeding several varieties of woodpeckers, finches, etc. in our former backyard. Even had a pair of Great Horned Owls to nest in our next door neighbor's pine. That was a thrill.

Debra

Put me in the category of liking this tree. Yes, they're a dime a dozen, but who cares? I had them when we lived in TN and I actually added more. Not everyone wants those weedy things Guy calls oaks........

does anyone know where to purchase these..? helping a friend ok??

2 years ago they were at the Lowe's in Hixson, TN. Does that help :o)

Hope - try your local extension service or forestry commission. you may be able to get quantities at very low or no cost.

Debra

www.mailordernatives.com
three bucks each, cheaper if you buy a bundle

This message was edited Jun 25, 2006 7:32 PM

thanks passing it along ..

Hi Honey!! Just wondering if you'd pay attention or not.....tee hee.....you also gotta come and get me if I'm in some sort of heapa trouble.

The heapa trouble will come down in full force upon your pretty little self if I hafta come up there and get you. Now you and your Evilibrium friend be nice to my trees -- Quercus, Albizia, whatever!
Mr. Wunnerful

Wait a minute, I like Oaks! Just not Q. acutissima.

*tap tap tap* I'm still waiting.........

Don't hold your breath.

No, holding my breath is for John (VV), tapping my fingers is for Guy :o)

John, please go and hold her breath for me. About 10 minutes oughta do it!
Or else I might have to set all my work aside and go up there and . . .
well, you don't wanna know the rest!

By the way, Evilalbizium, I have several Q. acutissima here including two I collected in some very remote parts of their native habitat. You keep your murderous little paws off 'em or you'll be in as big a pickle as that yappy little TerrieR!

Guy S.

Guy, even with my limited knowledge, I know that those sawtooth oaks breed with other oaks. Why would you want to even keep them. Isn't keeping an ever watchful eye on that mimosa enough?

Out of the mouths of babes....

Several of them? Goodness gracious Guy. What do you need specimens of those for?

Unfortunately Quercus robur as well as a host of other Eurasian Oaks have been planted over here en masse here ornamental value just like the Q. acutissima. Q. acutissima is doing a bang up job escaping on its own across the northeast. We've already got an awful lot of Sawtooth Oaks out there and not enough turkeys to gobble up the fruits. If I am not mistaken, Q. bicolor hybridizes with Q. robur as well as a few others and I suspect this round robin will ultimately result in more super oaks because that particular genus seems to be very lovey dovey. The natives have been hybridizing on their own around here for a while and it is often difficult to tell what's what any longer as it is.

Q. acutissima doesn't hybridize with Q. robur either. Sawtooth Oak is in a relatively small section of Quercus and it only hybridizes with other Oaks in that section, like Lebanon oak(Q. libani), Turkish Oak(Q. cerris), Chinese Cork Oak(Q. variabilis), etc. And even then it seems to rarely hybridize with any of them, if at all. So, Sawtooth Oak won't be contributing to your super oak, in case you were worried.

Q. acutissma doesn't hybridize with Q. robur but Q. robur does allegedly hybridize with some of our native Oaks and I believe I read somewhere (perhaps Mr. Oak man can cite the publication) where in which it was believed the offspring would be not only be fertile but well capable of hybridizing with other hybrids. I sort of got the impression we were talking major hybrid vigor here. Sawtooth Oak is enough of a problem out by us already without any hybridization going on in the next 100 years or so.

Couple things I just poked around and found. Maybe my memory is flying away on me with "wings"?

http://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/tree/quealb/all.html
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/volume_2/quercus/bicolor.htm

Yes, Q. robur will cross with just about any other oak in its section, but Q. acutissima is in a different group and is pretty fastidious about its romantic exploits.

Q. acutissima will seed out in some places and generate some volunteer offspring. But if you are worried about genetic contamination, worry about the robur (and non-local provenance material of native oaks), not acutissima.

I'm not very worried about either one here. While some of the robur hybrids are indeed very vigorous, many are sterile and many others probably will yield F2 seedlings that are not as well adapted to our native forest conditions as are our native oaks.

What I do worry about is those crazy evil ladies who grow carnivorous plants! What if one of them breeds with Kudzu and yields a giant carnivore that can grow faster than you can run?

Guy S.